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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Slaves were property because they were profitable.... not because they were black.
    Not so much. People had slaves because they were profitable. Those who were chosen to be slaves were overwhelmingly chosen because they were black. Because black people were seen as inferior to all other races, they were deemed the most suitable of all "races" for slavery which is why the majority of slaves in the United States were black.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Slaves were property because they were profitable.... not because they were black.

    North Carolina: 14,000 slave owners..... 10,000 free black men....
    evidence please. and how many slaves were in NC at the time?

    and are you ACTUALLY suggesting that African-slavery was not a racist institution????

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Not so much. People had slaves because they were profitable. Those who were chosen to be slaves were overwhelmingly chosen because they were black. Because black people were seen as inferior to all other races, they were deemed the most suitable of all "races" for slavery which is why the majority of slaves in the United States were black.
    Actually, Caine's got a point, but he didn't really make it.

    Racism was an artificial construct that was put on after the fact. The absolute worst thing that could have happened to Southern elites would be if poor whites ever realized they had more in common with slaves than with the planters. So they started spreading the idea that blacks were racially inferior.

    Originally in Europe, slaves came from Eastern Europe. Thus the similarity between the word "slave" and the word "slav." When Turks took control of the Bosphorus straits, it cut off the Black Sea slave trade. So they turned to Africa.


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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Slaves were property because they were profitable.... not because they were black.

    North Carolina: 14,000 slave owners..... 10,000 free black men.....


    How could such a (EVIL RACIST RACIST RACIST) place allow free black men in nearly the same numbers as slave owners?
    Where did this statistic come from?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Black slavery was not based on racism? Is that what they are teaching these days? To those making this claim have your read any period writings about how blacks were perceived? The whole justification for their enslavement was their "natural" inferiority. Blacks were not just considered to be less than whites, they were KNOWN to be so. Read even period scientific journals on the topic. Please do not be so naive as to buy slavery was an economic response, of course it was economical, room and board without wages is real cheap labor.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Actually, Caine's got a point, but he didn't really make it.

    Racism was an artificial construct that was put on after the fact. The absolute worst thing that could have happened to Southern elites would be if poor whites ever realized they had more in common with slaves than with the planters. So they started spreading the idea that blacks were racially inferior.

    Originally in Europe, slaves came from Eastern Europe. Thus the similarity between the word "slave" and the word "slav." When Turks took control of the Bosphorus straits, it cut off the Black Sea slave trade. So they turned to Africa.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that your argument is that slave owners didn't really think blacks were inferior, they just said that to prevent an uprising from poor whites. Do you have a source that substantiates this claim? Because I'm quite certain, given what I've read on the subject, that they really believed blacks were inferior and consequently, the race that belonged in slavery more than any others.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Not so much. People had slaves because they were profitable. Those who were chosen to be slaves were overwhelmingly chosen because they were black. Because black people were seen as inferior to all other races, they were deemed the most suitable of all "races" for slavery which is why the majority of slaves in the United States were black.
    The fact that they were originally sold into slavery from conquering african tribes at the low price of Rum, making them a cheap investment had absolutely nothing to do with it......... *shrug*
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where did this statistic come from?
    Population statistical data I researched.......
    Problem is for the life of me I can't seem to dig it up again... I'll find it eventually... it was somewhere on wikipedia pulling from the consensus.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Caine - where are you getting those North Carolina figures from? Please provide a verifiable source as the numbers you gave are completely out of sync with everything I have ever seen from reputable sources. The only stuff which might agree with this is white supremacist sources of the type quoted by another poster on this site who uses that nonsense an no reputable site will accept it.

    Wikipedia uses the figures that 1/3 of Southern families owned slaves. Your NC figures would be drastically low for that.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    evidence please. and how many slaves were in NC at the time?

    and are you ACTUALLY suggesting that African-slavery was not a racist institution????
    It began as an economical institution......
    They were acquired cheaply, sold by africans tribes who conquered one another for rum or other items that Europeans found common.

    Do you honestly think that if a cheaper alternative was available they would still go for the african slaves because of evil evil racism?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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