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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I agree with your current position as it reflects my own. I do not agree with your last position which you have now amended.
    Actually, how can you agree that a symbol's meaning, by it's very nature, is dependent on the viewer yet stick to your initial statements that the CF is a symbol of racism and all that? The two seem quite contradictory...
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    ...Now I don't want to go into the topic of people flying black-white-red. They are idiots anyway, by default. :P
    I see no difference between waving the Confederate flag and waving the Imperial German battle flag.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No worries... I am always distressed when I see people engaging in activities that they do not support, hence the advice to all.
    Then I guess you aren't very distressed.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    More advice: Seeking clarification next time might easily avoid such unpleasantness in the future.
    This one works better for you actually. The only advice I need to follow is "don't respond to people who clearly haven't read the thread they just posted in".

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I see no difference between waving the Confederate flag and waving the Imperial German battle flag.
    Do you find both problematic?

    I believe Germans who wave black-white-red are usually well aware that most people immediately associate the not so nice periods in German 20th century history with it. So when they decide to wave it despite this common understanding of the symbolism, it's usually a clear statement.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Do you find both problematic?

    I believe Germans who wave black-white-red are usually well aware that most people immediately associate the not so nice periods in German 20th century history with it. So when they decide to wave it despite this common understanding of the symbolism, it's usually a clear statement.
    Were all Germans Nazis? Did they all support the Holocaust?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Sorry if that's too off-topic, but I believe it's remotely related to the topic:

    I have seen people here in Germany flying the flag of the former East German communist dictatorship GDR. Usually, they are idiots. Nostalgics who had a nice youth in the GDR, but became victims of the economic transformation after Reunification 1990, now unemployed and so on.

    Now there is nothing wrong with being nostalgic (who doesn't want the good old times back, sometimes? And of course you can have a good life, even in a bad system), and it is nothing necessarily wrong with being critical of our current system, or the way Reunification was handled -- but I believe you can well hold these opinions, without at the same time justifying Berlin Wall, persecution of dissidents and shooting orders at the border. But many mix personal nostalgia with political revisionism. The latter makes them idiots.

    Now I don't want to go into the topic of people flying black-white-red. They are idiots anyway, by default. :P
    This makes for a fairly good analogy for what's going on with the Confederate flag here. It's often hung by people who are using it to symbolize their ancestry or something similarly uncontroversial. Then there are those mix those personal things with revisionism. I personally think most fall into the latter category to some degree.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    white supremacy was not one of the ideals of the Founding Fathers.

    So, which rights and priveleges granted by the first ten amendments initially applied to Blacks ? (at the time that these amendments were added)
    Oh, and when you're done listing them, please provide some credible evidence. This should be good.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Were all Germans Nazis? Did they all support the Holocaust?
    I'm not familiar with any large demonstrations in Berlin to protest against the presecution of the Jews.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    So, which rights and priveleges granted by the first ten amendments initially applied to Blacks ? (at the time that these amendments were added)
    Oh, and when you're done listing them, please provide some credible evidence. This should be good.
    This thread has gotten so stupidified that I'm confused now.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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