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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    A question can't... you are correct. The irrelevant part is how that question pertains to this issue. It doesn't.

    Just to answer your question on its own merits though: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of patriotism for and loyalty to, the United States?

    I would say no.
    It's a rebellion flag, but that rebellion was a call to uphold the ideals of the founding. In a roundabout, twisted way the flag is patriotic and isn't at the same time. To me flying Dixie is a step below flying Old Glory upside down to show distress at where the country is heading but about ten steps above burning the U.S. flag in protest.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's a rebellion flag, but that rebellion was a call to uphold the ideals of the founding.....
    white supremacy was not one of the ideals of the Founding Fathers.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corners...ch]Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.[SUP][1]
    Last edited by Thunder; 11-22-11 at 08:31 PM.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    143 pages have been wasted on a thread that can really be summed up in one statement: The Supreme Court decided that secession is both illegal and treasonous.

    Anyone is free to disagree with the Supreme Court decision, but that disagreement has no impact on the reality of what the Court has decided just like any other disagreement with the SC has no impact on law (see pro-lifers and Roe v. Wade for more information). If you disagree that secession is illegal, I suggest you get a lawyer.
    Wasted? Nonsense, this has been a very informative thread on many fronts. I will say this, sometimes the court does get decisions obviously wrong so appeal to the court on it's own face is not a substitute for substantive dialogue on the constitution and what it says.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    white supremacy was not one of the ideals of the Founding Fathers.

    Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.[1]

    Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It's not about white supremacy. Sorry to break it to you.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Let's turn things around a little: is the Confederate flag a symbol of patriotism for and loyalty to, the United States?
    Not to the current United States, but in theory, it could be a symbol of loyalty to the founding ideas of the United States.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's not about white supremacy. Sorry to break it to you.
    The Vice-President of the Confederate States of America, seems to have disagreed with you.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Wasted? Nonsense, this has been a very informative thread on many fronts. I will say this, sometimes the court does get decisions obviously wrong so appeal to the court on it's own face is not a substitute for substantive dialogue on the constitution and what it says.
    I agree. It's too bad substantive dialogue was actually "let me ignore what you actually posted and distort your posts".

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's a rebellion flag, but that rebellion was a call to uphold the ideals of the founding. In a roundabout, twisted way the flag is patriotic and isn't at the same time. To me flying Dixie is a step below flying Old Glory upside down to show distress at where the country is heading but about ten steps above burning the U.S. flag in protest.
    What many here seem to be missing is the point. The point is that a symbol's meaning, by it's very nature, is dependent on the viewer.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Vice-President of the Confederate States of America, seems to have disagreed with you.
    He can have his opinion... as archaic as it is. BTW, when did you discuss this with said VP?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He can have his opinion... as archaic as it is. BTW, when did you discuss this with said VP?
    I provided a direct quote from the VP of the CSA.

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