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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Debunked what? You gave your opinion that Supreme Court was wrong. Pro-life people do the same thing for Roe v. Wade everyday. The Supreme Court ruled abortion legal and it ruled secession illegal. No amount of opining makes secession legal. The Court already made its decision.
    I gave a factual based understanding of the clauses referenced, the powers behind them, and the proper understanding of how the country was formed correcting Chase on all counts of his opinion.


    You dismiss what you don't like. This is noted.
    When you change your mind of what clauses mean it does dismiss you and your understanding of what such clauses, yes. The only other understanding you can come to is that he learned more about the subject, but that would just mean he was wrong in 1869 and right in 1875, which would harm you greatly. Either way you are ****ed here.

    1. "I disagree with the Supreme Court. Therefore, secession is legal." That's not how it works. If you disagree with the Supreme Court, then you disagree on whether it should be legal. But the SC already declared it illegal, so I'm not sure what you think you're debunking.
    I debunked their opinions based on the constitution itself and the founders thoughts on it. This what you do when you are arguing against court rulings.

    2. If I say the word "debunked", people will believe me. That's also not how it works.
    I gave reasoning behind everything I said, as have everyone else. There is little point in going over it again. You just have to argue against it for a change instead of just repeating yourself without facing any counter arguments that might harm you.

    The word you're looking for is "disagree". You disagree with the Supreme Court rulings. You disagree with Chase and Lincoln. You disagree that most issues in the Civil War revolved around slavery. When you accept this, we might be able to have a conversation, but at this point, you've just become a parrot without substance.
    Unless you can show how I am wrong, and how the founders can be wrong about what they wrote you have no case other than yourself.
    Last edited by Henrin; 11-22-11 at 04:08 PM.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    They think that "I don't like it" and "I debunked it" are one and the same.
    In all fairness to Henrin, what he fails to realize is this
    1- your post was read
    2- your ideas were considered
    3- they were dealt with and discussed
    4- your points were dismissed as less than valid or irrelevant or just plain wrong in the context of history
    5- you are simply incorrect

    That is what I meant when I said Henrin was debunked.

    for example

    Unless you can show how I am wrong, and how the founders can be wrong about what they wrote you have no case other than yourself.
    The Supreme Court said otherwise. I do not have that responsibility and authority. You do not have that responsibility and authority. The Supreme Court has it and they exercised it in accordance with their Constitutional duties in the White case. That is the case and there is nothing you can do about it.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Has someone made some tedious explanation for why secession wasn't really about slavery yet? I'm too lazy to check.
    OMG! It's explained and supported, ad nauseum.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are none so blind as they who will not see.
    It is NOT there. You surely haven't done **** here, like usual.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    OMG! It's explained and supported, ad nauseum.
    and the same thing applies to apdst


    In all fairness to you, what you fail to realize is this
    1- your post was read
    2- your ideas were considered
    3- they were dealt with and discussed
    4- your points were dismissed as less than valid or irrelevant or just plain wrong in the context of history
    5- you are simply incorrect
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It is NOT there. You surely haven't done **** here, like usual.
    Then where is it? It is there. Always has been at least for the last century and a half.

    1- your post was read
    2- your ideas were considered
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    4- your points were dismissed as less than valid or irrelevant or just plain wrong in the context of history
    5- you are simply incorrect
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In all fairness to Henrin, what he fails to realize is this
    1- your post was read
    2- your ideas were considered
    3- they were dealt with and discussed
    4- your points were dismissed as less than valid or irrelevant or just plain wrong in the context of history
    5- you are simply incorrect

    That is what I meant when I said Henrin was debunked.
    Does that explain it? Hmm..looks more like I have nothing to say to counter it.


    The Supreme Court said otherwise. I do not have that responsibility and authority. You do not have that responsibility and authority. The Supreme Court has it and they exercised it in accordance with their Constitutional duties in the White case. That is the case and there is nothing you can do about it.
    Meaning they are not human and can never be wrong. How stupid.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Does that explain it? Hmm..looks more like I have nothing to say to counter it.




    Meaning they are not human and can never be wrong. How stupid.
    What you opt to label as Wrong is a value laden subjective term based on your own belief system. You have a right to BELIEVE what you choose to BELIEVE simply because you want to BELEIVE it. But that has nothing at all to do with right and wrong. It has only to do with what you BELIEVE.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I gave a factual based understanding of the clauses referenced, the powers behind them, and the proper understanding of how the country was formed correcting Chase on all counts of his opinion.
    It doesn't matter. The Supreme Court ruled secession illegal. It's illegal. Disagree with its decision all you want. IT IS ILLEGAL.

    When you change your mind of what clauses mean it does dismiss you and your understanding of what such clauses, yes. The only other understanding you can come to is that he learned more about the subject, but that would just mean he was wrong in 1869 and right in 1875, which would harm you greatly. Either way you are ****ed here.
    Can you give me a PRIMARY SOURCE link to the Chase quote that you believe supports your position? Because I've never seen it.

    I debunked their opinions based on the constitution itself and the founders thoughts on it. This what you do when you are arguing against court rulings.
    You disagreed with their opinions. Unfortunately, you're not a Supreme Court justice so your opinion matters as much to the law as a pro-lifer who disagrees with Roe v. Wade.

    I gave reasoning behind everything I said, as have everyone else. There is little point in going over it again. You just have to argue against it for a change instead of just repeating yourself without facing any counter arguments that might harm you.
    You gave reasoning for your disagreements. You haven't debunked anything. Learn the difference between "debunk" and "disagree" and your posts might become more serious. All of my arguments have been completely valid. They are arguments based on primary source documentation including the Supreme Court, presidents, declarations of secession, et al. Telling me that I don't "face any counter arguments" is incredibly dishonest. I have faced every single counter argument presented to me and have refused to present anything less than primary source documentation to support my position. If you can't even acknowledge that, you have absolutely zero credit.

    I provide primary sources, honest interpretations of them supported by the SC and historians, acknowledge the relativity of the topics we're discussing and refuse to distort people's arguments. You and others on your side have done the exact opposite of that over and over again (aside from providing a few primary sources) which makes your attacks on my debating laughable.

    Unless you can show how I am wrong, and how the founders can be wrong about what they wrote you have no case other than yourself.
    Hey, the Supreme Court already did that. Your beef is with them just like the pro-lifer's beef. Don't shoot the messenger.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In all fairness to Henrin, what he fails to realize is this
    1- your post was read
    2- your ideas were considered
    3- they were dealt with and discussed
    4- your points were dismissed as less than valid or irrelevant or just plain wrong in the context of history
    5- you are simply incorrect

    That is what I meant when I said Henrin was debunked.
    If you mean "his" and not "your," I agree. Or is there a gap in the logic of my anti-Confederacy position?

    for example



    The Supreme Court said otherwise. I do not have that responsibility and authority. You do not have that responsibility and authority. The Supreme Court has it and they exercised it in accordance with their Constitutional duties in the White case. That is the case and there is nothing you can do about it.
    BINGO. We, as American citizens, have every right to disagree with a Court decision. But we do not have the right to disobey it. Texas v. White is a legally binding precedent, whether the sympathizers want to admit it or not. When it comes to the legality of secession, there is absolutely nothing to debate. It makes about as much sense to argue that the Earth is flat or that gravity doesn't exist.
    Last edited by Phys251; 11-22-11 at 04:26 PM. Reason: "there," not "their," lol
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