View Poll Results: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

Voters
98. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    36 36.73%
  • No

    56 57.14%
  • I don't know.

    6 6.12%
Page 137 of 183 FirstFirst ... 3787127135136137138139147 ... LastLast
Results 1,361 to 1,370 of 1824

Thread: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

  1. #1361
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,473

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think it's time to sum this thread up:
    Pro-history side-
    - The north engaged in unfair trade practices and the location of the railroads
    - The south tried to use diplomacy
    - The slavery issue came up
    - The south seceeded because of all factors combined
    - The north occupied territory
    - The south issued a warning and attacked but probably should have furthered diplomacy
    - Both sides were wrong

    The pro-North Side-
    - The south was wrong
    - Because we say so
    - We don't need evidence
    - North Good South Bad.

    Does this sound about accurate?
    Don't forget on the pro-history side,

    -The Northern mills wanted the South to be forced to sell them their cotton, at a lower price than the Europeans were offering
    -The Northern farmers wanted to see an end to slavery, because they weren't able to compete.

    The civil war had more to with money than it did anything else.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  2. #1362
    Klattu Verata Nicto
    LaMidRighter's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Louisiana
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    30,534

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Don't forget on the pro-history side,

    -The Northern mills wanted the South to be forced to sell them their cotton, at a lower price than the Europeans were offering
    -The Northern farmers wanted to see an end to slavery, because they weren't able to compete.

    The civil war had more to with money than it did anything else.
    Right on both points, I don't want people to feel bad about the north. I just wish people would discuss the issue openly and stop assuming the southern historical perspective is about slavery or racism. It's much deeper than that.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

  3. #1363
    Sage
    Phys251's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:34 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    12,761

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The only thing you have done is fail to understand, but that's because you don't want to. I get it, you have a worldview and think you are correct, but I am not wasting more time with you.
    Seriously? You're giving up already?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, what year was that? 18-sixty, what? Sixty-nine?

    Surely not trying to say tht everyone, in 1860, was very familiar with Texas v. White and knew that secession was illegal. Or, are you?
    Basic civics fail. Texas v. White is established precedent into US law. It has yet to be overturned, and I seriously doubt it will ever be.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think it's time to sum this thread up:
    Pro-history side-
    - The north engaged in unfair trade practices and the location of the railroads
    - The south tried to use diplomacy
    - The slavery issue came up
    - The south seceeded because of all factors combined
    - The north occupied territory
    - The south issued a warning and attacked but probably should have furthered diplomacy
    - Both sides were wrong

    The pro-North Side-
    - The south was wrong
    - Because we say so
    - We don't need evidence
    - North Good South Bad.

    Does this sound about accurate?
    So the South = the good guys, the North = the bad guys. Yep, completely unbiased and pro-America position there. And you STILL ignored slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Right on both points, I don't want people to feel bad about the north. I just wish people would discuss the issue openly and stop assuming the southern historical perspective is about slavery or racism. It's much deeper than that.
    First of all, "North" and "South" are POV terms. They make it sound like they were just flip sides of the same coin, when in fact they weren't. Second, your feeble attempt to sweep the slavery issue under the rug, with as much enthusiasm as you have shown for doing so, is blatant dishonesty. Doesn't matter how many other Confederate sympathizers we have on this thread, it doesn't make it right. What you are preaching here is nothing short of anti-American propaganda. Spin it, slice it, equivocate, do all you want to, but they do not change the facts. Had there been no slavery, there would have been no Civil War, period. The whole "states' rights" mantra was nothing more than a defense of slavery. Stop whitewashing history and start owning up to it.
    "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." --Hillary Rodham Clinton
    "Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections." --Mitt Romney

  4. #1364
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,473

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Basic civics fail. Texas v. White is established precedent into US law. It has yet to be overturned, and I seriously doubt it will ever be.
    It was a ruling decided in 1869, four years after the war ended.

    Basic chronology fail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  5. #1365
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,473

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    So the South = the good guys, the North = the bad guys. Yep, completely unbiased and pro-America position there. And you STILL ignored slavery.
    I must admit that LMR got this one wrong. He should have said, "pro-bull**** side", instead.

    But, I'm sure he was just trying to be polite.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  6. #1366
    Sage
    Phys251's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:34 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    12,761

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It was a ruling decided in 1869, four years after the war ended.

    Basic chronology fail.
    Dude. The Supreme Court ruled, in Texas v. White, that secession was legally impossible by the fact that the covenant of the Union was indissoluble, and that secession acts to the contrary were absolutely null. Meaning, they had zero legal validity, as far as the United States was concerned. When I say that the Confederacy was a bastard government, I don't just mean that as an insult; I mean that as a statement of legal matter.
    "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." --Hillary Rodham Clinton
    "Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections." --Mitt Romney

  7. #1367
    Sage
    Phys251's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:34 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    12,761

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I must admit that LMR got this one wrong. He should have said, "pro-bull**** side", instead.

    But, I'm sure he was just trying to be polite.
    Flaming is all you've got in response?
    "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." --Hillary Rodham Clinton
    "Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections." --Mitt Romney

  8. #1368
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,473

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Dude. The Supreme Court ruled, in Texas v. White, that secession was legally impossible by the fact that the covenant of the Union was indissoluble, and that secession acts to the contrary were absolutely null. Meaning, they had zero legal validity, as far as the United States was concerned. When I say that the Confederacy was a bastard government, I don't just mean that as an insult; I mean that as a statement of legal matter.
    In 1869!! Goddamn! Why is it so hard for you get a grip on that?!?

    If you're right and it was so ****ing obvious that secession was un-constitutional, the decision would have been made when New England attempted to secede in 1804.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  9. #1369
    Klattu Verata Nicto
    LaMidRighter's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Louisiana
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    30,534

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Flaming is all you've got in response?
    This coming from a guy who had to call me a racist?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

  10. #1370
    Klattu Verata Nicto
    LaMidRighter's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Louisiana
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    30,534

    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Seriously? You're giving up already?



    Basic civics fail. Texas v. White is established precedent into US law. It has yet to be overturned, and I seriously doubt it will ever be.



    So the South = the good guys, the North = the bad guys. Yep, completely unbiased and pro-America position there. And you STILL ignored slavery.



    First of all, "North" and "South" are POV terms. They make it sound like they were just flip sides of the same coin, when in fact they weren't. Second, your feeble attempt to sweep the slavery issue under the rug, with as much enthusiasm as you have shown for doing so, is blatant dishonesty. Doesn't matter how many other Confederate sympathizers we have on this thread, it doesn't make it right. What you are preaching here is nothing short of anti-American propaganda. Spin it, slice it, equivocate, do all you want to, but they do not change the facts. Had there been no slavery, there would have been no Civil War, period. The whole "states' rights" mantra was nothing more than a defense of slavery. Stop whitewashing history and start owning up to it.
    Yes, I am giving up on you. All you've done is flame. As far as spin goes, that is all you have provided. I have made every attempt to be civil and give you room for debate but all I get is "nuh-uh" "south bad". Sorry, there are better uses of my intellect than getting into a pissing contest with someone who wants to remain half informed.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •