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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So you want to stick to that line of thinking? Fine, but it's been presented that slavery was one of many issues unresolved by the north, fortunately there are people in this country that ask question beyond eight grade history and learn about more things than "South bad, North good". You want to feel good about the outcome of the war, go ahead. Minus slavery ending the Union gained more power than it was ever supposed to have and we are still paying the bill for that to this day(Not talking money, talking about the cost of liberty so don't try finding economic data). You think you're being funny but every single time a new abusive federal program is introduced you can thank the north for getting the ball rolling, that isn't an opinion, the north wanted to expand central powers and THAT IS A FACT.


    If you mean the south left the Union and the Union occupied southern land with a miliatary presence that was unwelcome and the south took exception to that and some northerners got starved and shot for being occupying assholes. Sure, why not. Yawn. Who took the first agressive action? The north did, sorry to burst your bubble on that. LOL! Now THAT is revision. The south wasn't even in the U.S. at the time slavery was founded. If you can't even get that one right how can we even take you seriously?
    The bolded is incorrect. The south was occupying federal land. Secession is illegal pursuant to the constitution and therefore the south had no right to claim federal territory as their own.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    The bolded is incorrect. The south was occupying federal land. Secession is illegal pursuant to the constitution and therefore the south had no right to claim federal territory as their own.
    Again. If your side wants to stick to the simplest and thus most inaccurate version go ahead, it isn't my problem.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    The bolded is incorrect. The south was occupying federal land....
    moe importantly, Ft. Sumter was govt. property, owned by the United States.

    apologists for the CSA can't claim the war was about property rights, and then disregard the property rights of the USA.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    moe importantly, Ft. Sumter was govt. property, owned by the United States.

    apologists for the CSA can't claim the war was about property rights, and then disregard the property rights of the USA.
    No matter how many times you repeat this it is not correct. I'm done with you.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No matter how many times you repeat this it is not correct. I'm done with you.

    saying its incorrect, doesn't make it incorrect.

    you failure to even attempt to disprove my claim, says a lot.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So you want to stick to that line of thinking? Fine, but it's been presented that slavery was one of many issues unresolved by the north, fortunately there are people in this country that ask question beyond eight grade history and learn about more things than "South bad, North good". You want to feel good about the outcome of the war, go ahead. Minus slavery ending the Union gained more power than it was ever supposed to have and we are still paying the bill for that to this day(Not talking money, talking about the cost of liberty so don't try finding economic data). You think you're being funny but every single time a new abusive federal program is introduced you can thank the north for getting the ball rolling, that isn't an opinion, the north wanted to expand central powers and THAT IS A FACT.
    Still fighting the Civil War, are we? Trying to take our eye off the ball that the South fought it to defend a racist institution, are we? I gotta give you revisionists credit, you sure have a lot of tenacity.

    Most of your other comments are a complete red herring. Unlike you, I'm grateful that the Union won. No, I won't even call it that. I'm grateful that AMERICA won. It's a real shame that some Americans choose to keep rooting for the losers.

    Furthermore, your comment that the Union winning the war cost us liberty is a subtle racist comment. Blacks won freedom from slavery BECAUSE the Civil War rooted out. And it was the South who, in the days following, passed the Grandfather Clause, Jim Crow laws, etc. The North didn't have nearly as many of these problems. But hey, I guess the South had liberty instead--as long as you were White!

    If you mean the south left the Union and the Union occupied southern land with a miliatary presence that was unwelcome and the south took exception to that and some northerners got starved and shot for being occupying assholes. Sure, why not.
    Reconstruction was a failure because it did not go nearly far enough. Just as we reeducated Germans to break their nationalistic spine after WWII, we should have broken the pro-Confederate, anti-American spine of the South after the Civil War. Had we done that, we wouldn't be having stupid discussions such as these.

    Yawn. Who took the first agressive action? The north did, sorry to burst your bubble on that. LOL! Now THAT is revision. The south wasn't even in the U.S. at the time slavery was founded. If you can't even get that one right how can we even take you seriously?
    What aggressive action? Feeding men who were under a medieval-style siege, you call that aggression? Nah, aggression was the formation of a bastard government that took over a huge chunk of America. Now THAT'S a government takeover if I ever heard of one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    moe importantly, Ft. Sumter was govt. property, owned by the United States.

    apologists for the CSA can't claim the war was about property rights, and then disregard the property rights of the USA.
    omg, I didn't even think of it that way. Which means that the siege of Ft. Sumter was nothing short of an act of terrorism.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Still fighting the Civil War, are we? Trying to take our eye off the ball that the South fought it to defend a racist institution, are we? I gotta give you revisionists credit, you sure have a lot of tenacity....
    I am glad that I never experience this in real life, only in debate forums.

    well, I did hear this kinda stuff in college..but much less sophisticated.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Reconstruction was a failure because it did not go nearly far enough. Just as we reeducated Germans to break their nationalistic spine after WWII, we should have broken the pro-Confederate, anti-American spine of the South after the Civil War. Had we done that, we wouldn't be having stupid discussions such as these.
    Exactly how did we "reeducate" the Germans to "break their nationalistic spines"? I'm just curious here.




    omg, I didn't even think of it that way. Which means that the siege of Ft. Sumter was nothing short of an act of terrorism.
    How many casualties were there as a result of this "terrorist attack" on Ft. Sumter? Just curious again.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Exactly how did we "reeducate" the Germans to "break their nationalistic spines"? I'm just curious here....
    it was called de-Nazification. and it appears to have worked well.

    however, we seemed to have failed to turn Southerners into truely patriotic Americans.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Still fighting the Civil War, are we? Trying to take our eye off the ball that the South fought it to defend a racist institution, are we? I gotta give you revisionists credit, you sure have a lot of tenacity.
    Yeah, and I suppose that we've gotta give you Libbos some credit as well, you sure have a knack for dodging documented, historical fact.
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