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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Actually, the north is the revisionist side here. I'll give the simplest analogy I can since people either couldn't or wouldn't understand the Gitmo, or China analogies that myself and other posters presented.

    If I allow you to stay on my property while we have an agreement and you put up a house, it is still on my property. Let's say we have irreconcilable differences and I void the agreement, I may make you an offer to reimburse you for the house but you must vacate the property and move all belongings you want to keep, regardless of what you feel is yours you do not own anything within the borders. If you then refuse to leave I then give a stern warning that I do not want you on the premises but you persist, and then you get the authorities on your side whether or not the law states you have any rights or claims to my property. Well, the next step is to put bullets into anything that becomes a problem.

    For the purposes of the analogy you doesn't mean any particular poster or other human being, it's just to personalize so that maybe people will understand.
    Let me give you a better analogy. Say you are renting an apartment and your landlord institutes a new policy prohibiting pets. Well you disagree and you decide that you are going to claim that apartment as your own. That is illegal. If you want to keep your pet you move to an apartment that allows it. Same thing. The redneck crackers should have gone to a country where slavery was allowed. Not that there were any left. We were the last ones to abolish it. The South keeps trying to block progress.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    right. redneck, hick, hillbilly....and "nigger"...all hold the same weight.

    man, I've never read such ignorant dishonesty in one day.
    Racism is racism. I doesn't matter who it's directed towards.

    I guess you're trying to tell us that some racism ok, but other racism isn't. And you call me ignorant?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    oh my...did he just say that?

    and how would you describe it?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's what some folks refuse to grasp. The United States of America is not a union of sovereign states, like the EU is.

    In 1787, when the States ratified the Constitution, they willingly gave up their nationhood to become part of a larger nation.
    Do you have any historical evidence or text in the constitution to support this wild claim of yours?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Per the Treaty of Paris that ended the revolutionary war:...
    yeah, and then after that the 13 Colonies ratified the Constitution of the United States of America, thereby giving up much of their soveriegn-status.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Let me give you a better analogy. Say you are renting an apartment and your landlord institutes a new policy prohibiting pets. Well you disagree and you decide that you are going to claim that apartment as your own. That is illegal. If you want to keep your pet you move to an apartment that allows it. Same thing. The redneck crackers should have gone to a country where slavery was allowed. Not that there were any left. We were the last ones to abolish it. The South keeps trying to block progress.
    Nope, bad analogy.........."When you wish, upon a star............".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Do you have any historical evidence or text in the constitution to support this wild claim of yours?
    got any evidence to back up your silly claim that the United States of America are a group of sovereign nation-states?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'm very confused as to where people are getting this idea that the US is the same as the EU or the UN. I've never heard anyone claim that before, but in this thread, people are acting like it's common knowledge. It's crazy. The US is a single nation, not a union of several nation-states as many have claimed.
    Well, the states were sovereign, independent nation-states prior to entering into their compact, correct?

    Their compact does not specify that they are relinquishing their sovereignty, and in fact several states specifically declared that they were not doing so.

    So how and when did the states renounce their sovereignty?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Well, the states were sovereign, independent nation-states prior to entering into their compact, correct?

    Their compact does not specify that they are relinquishing their sovereignty, and in fact several states specifically declared that they were not doing so.

    So how and when did the states renounce their sovereignty?
    When they agreed to scrap the articles of confederation and create a federation.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Per the Treaty of Paris that ended the revolutionary war: "His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and independent states, that he treats with them as such, and for himself, his heirs, and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety, and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof. "
    Didn't King George III also talk to trees? Not sure he's an authority you want to appeal to.

    He also doesn't recognize Vermont, Tennessee, etc. So if this is your appeal that all of the states are sovereign, it really doesn't do it.


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