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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you call black racists, "niggers"???

    that's pretty horrible, if you ask me. I would never call a black person that word, no matter how evil they were.
    It's no different than calling a white person a redneck. Both are derogatory terms.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's no different than calling a white person a redneck. Both are derogatory terms.
    right. redneck, hick, hillbilly....and "nigger"...all hold the same weight.

    man, I've never read such ignorant dishonesty in one day.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    The bottom line is this; we can go on and on and on with Thunder, Haymarket, and the 99% guy, following their "gut" feelings, implications, intuition (or lack thereof), ability (or lack thereof) to read the minds of Lincoln, the Founders, or of Confederate leaders............but this is obviously going nowhere. One side here has an obvious aversion for documented historical fact and has failed to answer two important questions in this thread with any substantiated, and documented, historic evidence of their own and has dodged one important question which requires no evidence - only honesty. Failure to answer these three questions has shown only that your side lacks two very important chacteristics in reviewing history.............honesty and evidence.

    So, here go the three questions once more (and remember #1 and #2 require some substantiated evidence while # 3 requires only your honesty):
    (1) It was stated y more than one poster here that the US COnstitution prohibits secession. Where does the constitution EXPRESSLY prohibit this act? (No implications or fuzzy ancillary court opinions from 16 years after the fact) where IN THE DOCUMENT does it say this expressly?

    (2) The OP suggests that display of the Confederate flag is a symbol of treason, and many posters in this thread seem to agree (based on all the South-bashing, and frequent use of words like hick, redneck, moron, and racist). So if the CSA was guilty of treason, WHY did NOT ONE SINGLE Confederate stand trial for treason? Especially after President Andrew Johnson and Chief Justice Chase openly expressed that it was their desire to see Davis tried and cnvicted as a traitor?

    (3) Since the Stars and Stripes flew proudly over the instituion of slavery for over 80 years before the Confederacy, why shouldn't we ban the display of it as well? Please give some rationale to go along with your opinion here.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I guess you don't respect property rights, which was one of the issues that started the Civil War, right?

    Ft. Sumter was Federal property.
    I respect them, I also understand them. The fort ceased to be under any federal jurisdiction the minute the treaty between the states ended. What part of that is difficult?
    Unilateral declarations of independence doesn't change that fact.
    Tell that to the founding fathers. Considering that was exactly how the country was formed to begin with.
    The South attacked Federal property, unprovoked. They started the hostilities of the American Civil War....a war fought to preserve the right to own other human beings.
    Remaining after forbidden is a provocation. And repeating incorrect does not change incorrect.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you call black racists, "niggers"???

    that's pretty horrible, if you ask me. I would never call a black person that word, no matter how evil they were.
    I see you decided not to answer the question...imagine that


    no, i don't call anyone a nigger.. or a redneck, or a hick, or a hillbilly.... primarily because i'm not a bigot, nor a hypocrite.


    we obviously know that you call white racists ( at least those who you deem to be racists) some nice epithets... but what do you call black racists?.... i'm guessing a few things here, 1, that you don't call them anything, as is par for the course among progressives... and, 2, if it comes to calling them anything, it's simply "racist".
    am i close?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's been well explained how the north started the war, and it's been thouroughly explained why the south seceeded and where the right was found. And the answer never changed from the people looking at things objectively. The "north only" side has been constantly changing the message. So, maybe ask them these things huh?
    Cut the revisionist bullcrap. The South fired on Fort Sumter. Period. The South started the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    hmm... I wonder what Santa is...

    he give away free stuff like no tomorrow... which makes him a Yankee .
    but the stuff he gives away is built by his own personal slave army... which makes him a confederate.

    i'll have to do more research on this rascal Santa guy.


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You called the Battle Flag the, "Stars and Bars". So, obviously, you didn't know the difference until you decided to do a little research.
    Nice flame. Do you actually have anything of substance to add?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    right. redneck, hick, hillbilly....and "nigger"...all hold the same weight.

    man, I've never read such ignorant dishonesty in one day.
    well, I think nigger is a bit worse ... but where me and you split ways is that I don't feel any of the terms are appropriate and you obviously do.

    it's fine to hold that opinion, just don't ever preach about bigotry or racism again... not until you rid yourself of your own... it's the easiest thing in the world not to be a bigot, you just put it down and don't pick it up again.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ... it's fine to hold that opinion, just don't ever preach about bigotry or racism again... not until you rid yourself of your own... it's the easiest thing in the world not to be a bigot, you just put it down and don't pick it up again.
    one can be a bigot, against racism & prejudice???


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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Cut the revisionist bullcrap. The South fired on Fort Sumter. Period. The South started the war.







    Nice flame. Do you actually have anything of substance to add?
    Actually, the north is the revisionist side here. I'll give the simplest analogy I can since people either couldn't or wouldn't understand the Gitmo, or China analogies that myself and other posters presented.

    If I allow you to stay on my property while we have an agreement and you put up a house, it is still on my property. Let's say we have irreconcilable differences and I void the agreement, I may make you an offer to reimburse you for the house but you must vacate the property and move all belongings you want to keep, regardless of what you feel is yours you do not own anything within the borders. If you then refuse to leave I then give a stern warning that I do not want you on the premises but you persist, and then you get the authorities on your side whether or not the law states you have any rights or claims to my property. Well, the next step is to put bullets into anything that becomes a problem.

    For the purposes of the analogy you doesn't mean any particular poster or other human being, it's just to personalize so that maybe people will understand.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Its very simple: The South unilaterally seceded. The rest of the USA did not agree to this secession.

    The USA had a fort in South Carolina. It was Federal property, filled with Federal troops.

    The South, having unilaterally seceded, decided to piss on the property rights of the United States, and demanded that Ft. Sumter evacuate. Of course, the USA told Dixie to **** off, as it was their property, and the CSA had no right to demand the fort be evacuated. So, unprovoked, the South attacked Ft. Sumter.

    In summation, the South seceded from the North to protect their property rights, but attacked Ft. Sumter cause they didn't give a **** about the property rights of others.

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