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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    nor will he ever be able to prove such an alleged "explicit prohibition"... because one does not exist.
    he can, however, argue about implied prohibition, but not explicit.

    it's rather humorous to me that folks think the Confederate states should have followed the Constitution.. a document they just separated themselves from.
    it's akin to saying an immigrant from Zimbabwe should adhere to Zimbabwe's laws after he dissolved his Zimbabwean citizenship.
    "hey!.. you guys can't leave... the Constitution says you can't"
    "umm bro.. the Constitution doesn't count for us.. we got our own now... those are your laws, these are ours"
    "the Constitution says you can't though"
    "having a comprehension problem today?... the Constitution doesn't govern us anymore.. we bailed on it"
    "we'll take it to the supreme court then"
    " oh that's awesome... let's take it to a court who is mandated to judge us by a set of laws that do not pertain to us.. i'm sure we'll get a fair trial there!"
    " but they are the grand arbiter of the supreme law of the land..."
    " yeah.. the supreme law of the land that we just removed ourselves from..."
    " but you can't remove yourself from it.."
    "why?"
    "cuz the Constitution says you can't"
    " <facepalm>"

    makes me giggle just thinking about it....
    What makes me giggle is rednecks thinking that claiming federal property as their own is legal. The pro slavery insurgents had no right to claim sovereign american land as their own.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    bigots like you make me giggle too...

    can't help it...i'm easily entertained.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    What makes me giggle is rednecks thinking that claiming federal property as their own is legal. The pro slavery insurgents had no right to claim sovereign american land as their own.
    its cute how supporters of the CSA claim it was a war to protect property rights, and yet the property rights of the Union in regards to Ft. Sumter are totally disregarded.

    "Do as I say...not as I do".

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its cute how supporters of the CSA claim it was a war to protect property rights, and yet the property rights of the Union in regards to Ft. Sumter are totally disregarded.

    "Do as I say...not as I do".
    I don't think anyone has really touched on the property rights involved with Fort Sumter...but don't let that stop you from building a strawman.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't think anyone has really touched on the property rights involved with Fort Sumter...but don't let that stop you from building a strawman.
    actually, folks have. some here have claimed that as South Carolina was suddenly a part of a seperate nation, the Federal occupation of Ft. Sumter was illegal, and a provocation deserving violence.

    such logic of course, 100% counters the concept of respecting property rights.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't think anyone has really touched on the property rights involved with Fort Sumter...but don't let that stop you from building a strawman.
    Then you haven't read all the pages of this thread. Any claim by hicks that the rebels had a right to secede or the civil war wasn't about slavery was thoroughly debunked.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Then you haven't read all the pages of this thread. Any claim by hicks that the rebels had a right to secede or the civil war wasn't about slavery was thoroughly debunked.
    until you mature past the point of needing to use epithets, consider yourself dismissed.... i'm not interested in the opinions of bigots.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    until you mature past the point of needing to use epithets, consider yourself dismissed.... i'm not interested in the opinions of bigots.
    Well "hick" isn't a epithet but I'm going to guess that you won't dismiss the arguments made by people who call the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act "obamacare" as a pejorative to the president. Heck i bet you are willing to listen to people who call the president kenyan, marxist, ect... It works both ways.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    until you mature past the point of needing to use epithets, consider yourself dismissed.... i'm not interested in the opinions of bigots.
    ironic......

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    actually, folks have. some here have claimed that as South Carolina was suddenly a part of a seperate nation, the Federal occupation of Ft. Sumter was illegal, and a provocation deserving violence.

    such logic of course, 100% counters the concept of respecting property rights.
    i've seen a few round about claims.. but no actual arguments over the property rights issue.

    as with everything surrounding the war, there are arguments and precedents that support both sides.
    to claim that CSA "supporters" disregard property rights is really a false claim... and what you are really trying to do here is pulling the usual " hypocrite" card.. and certainly not debate the issue.

    a CSA "supporter" can argue that property rights granted and/or protected by Union law are irrelevant.. as the laws of the Union were done away with by the CSA.
    they can simply argue that the property inherently changed hands when a new sovereign was appointed over the geographical boundaries.

    you know.. just like we did when we seceded from the UK.
    unless you are going to argue that our land is still the property of the UK, you would have to assign validity to that view.

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