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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    IMO, the rebel flag really should be done away with. Before folks who know which side of the racial divide I fall on pounce on me, I ask that you hear me out because I'm about to tell it like it is! No sugar coating here, folks.

    I fully understand this particular flag's place in history. It's a symbol of historical pride for many who were born and raised in the South. However, for some that "pride" goes deep and it's dark...really dark.

    For many, the rebel flag is nothing more that a symbol of southern pride and historical memorabilia; nothing more. These are people who very likely are history buffs, born and raised in the south who love southern traditions and take great pride in being good, decent, kind, fun-loving southern folks. Being that I'm a Black man who happens to be a "Yankey livin' in the mid-south," I can tell you I've met more kind hearted White southerns than I've met any who wish to do me harm. However, there are those whose view of the rebel flag represents something much more sinister - White racial unity and supremacy. Anyone who denies this is very likely attempting to hide behind a segregationist mindset born of a bygone era of slavery, share cropping, racial hatred and racial inequality against those who are not of "their own kind".

    It is for the latter reason that I believe the rebel flag should be done away with because whenever it is raised under that dark cloud of racial hatred, inequality and bigotry all one racial group sees is "Let's go get us one of 'dem there **gers! Get a rope!," while the other sees "Danger, Will Robinson!".

    I would not have a problem with the rebel flag being placed in a national museum, i.e., the Smithsonian, because of its historical significance. Treat it exactly as we've treated all former versions of the Stars and Stripes from the 13 original colonies to when this nation ratified Hawaii as its 50th state. Moreover, while it is totally permissible for each state to raise its state banner, I find no reason whatsoever to raise the rebel flag and give it such homage just because of its historical significance connected only to those southern states that lost the Civil War. As such, hang it on your walls in your homes if you wish to display your southern pride! Put rebel flag bumper stickers on your cars. Hang calendars or posters with southern beauties draped in it if you will. (I just gave somebody a nice marketing idea! Go me!! ) But I honestly see no reason to wave this flag at public events because in the majority of situations whenever it is waved high with vigor, there's also the venom of "piss and vinegar" that accompanies it. (Ever been to a KKK rally?)

    I respect the historical significance of the rebel flag, as well as the attachment for some as a symbol of southern pride, but to ignore the dark stigma that comes with it...

    While I don't see the rebel flag as a sign of treason, I do question why its still allowed to be put on public display considering that when you strip away all the historical relevance, this flag is used more to remind people of what tore this country apart rather than what should be holding us together. Play Taps, fold it neatly, retire it and tuck it away in a display case.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 11-19-11 at 10:04 AM.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    What about him? And why should anyone care what he thought? Was he a Constitutional scholar, too?
    Yeah and if he did support the confederacy it would show Christianity's true colors.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    No. Those muslims would be seceding from a unitary state (England). We are discussing whether one of our sovereign states is legally empowered to withdraw from the compact into which it voluntarily entered.
    That's the thing though. The US was not a confederacy like EU which states were independent. In any dispute the federal govt is the final authority as was in the secession dispute. The federal govt said that pursuant to the Constitution secession was illegal and therefore the confederacy never existed.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    No. Those muslims would be seceding from a unitary state (England). We are discussing whether one of our sovereign states is legally empowered to withdraw from the compact into which it voluntarily entered.
    if you think South Carolina is sovereign, like Denmark is sovereign, than you are very...very wrong.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I made that claim and you haven't proven anything. The british did not buy cotton made by slave labor. They decided to get cotton from india instead.
    And exactly how does one, "MAKE", cotton? :
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    That's the thing though. The US was not a confederacy like EU which states were independent. In any dispute the federal govt is the final authority as was in the secession dispute. The federal govt said that pursuant to the Constitution secession was illegal and therefore the confederacy never existed.
    that's what some folks refuse to grasp. The United States of America is not a union of sovereign states, like the EU is.

    In 1787, when the States ratified the Constitution, they willingly gave up their nationhood to become part of a larger nation. They stopped being a state. That's why they can't print their own money, make treaties, exchange ambassadors, raise armies, etc etc.

    New York State is no more a seperate country than Manhattan Island or Nassau County is. All vestiges of nationhood were willingly & freely given up when the Constitution was ratified.

    We are ONE nation, not a collection of 50.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's what some folks refuse to grasp. The United States of America is not a union of sovereign states, like the EU is.

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    We are ONE nation, not a collection of 50.
    I'm very confused as to where people are getting this idea that the US is the same as the EU or the UN. I've never heard anyone claim that before, but in this thread, people are acting like it's common knowledge. It's crazy. The US is a single nation, not a union of several nation-states as many have claimed.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'm very confused as to where people are getting this idea that the US is the same as the EU or the UN. I've never heard anyone claim that before, but in this thread, people are acting like it's common knowledge. It's crazy. The US is a single nation, not a union of several nation-states as many have claimed.
    Indeed. We are not the European Union. We aren't even Canada, which is a confederacy of Provinces. We are ONE nation.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    And exactly how does one, "MAKE", cotton? :
    I apologize. I mean cotton grown and picked by slave labor.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cultureshock View Post
    No, it's a symbol of ignorance
    The only ignorance I've seen so far has come from the anti-webel folks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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