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Thread: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Actually, Nazi Germany's evil was rooted in its fascist policies, but it was actually their nationalist policies that seeped into and corrupted all other policies.
    I think I would tentatively agree with that statement. Their fanatical nationalism was the driving factor behind Hitler's ability to become fuhrer and subsequently rally a large percentage of the people into supporting his campaign for domination. I see many parallels between the nationalism in Germany and the United States. Heck, today is the perfect day to see the blind nationalism as so many people ignorantly "thank" any person who happens to be a veteran regardless of their actual actions.

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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    I think I would tentatively agree with that statement. Their fanatical nationalism was the driving factor behind Hitler's ability to become fuhrer and subsequently rally a large percentage of the people into supporting his campaign for domination. I see many parallels between the nationalism in Germany and the United States. Heck, today is the perfect day to see the blind nationalism as so many people ignorantly "thank" any person who happens to be a veteran regardless of their actual actions.
    Actually, I don't think that nationalism is in effect here in the U.S. to that degree.

    The nationalism of Nazi Germany was to create what they called a "lebensraum" for Germans. That is Nazi Germany wanted to conquer lands, displace the peoples there, and use it as a way for Germans to prosper.

    The nationalism of the United States is different. Actually, I think it's much more corporate. We don't try to spread our government. Rather, we try to spread our culture. And we do so in advertisements on the products and services we get them to buy.
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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Wikipedia: A liberal's most trusted source of information...

    I notice you used the word "conservative" to describe the majority of appointees. Anyone with any kind of political awareness knows that's bull****, as "Republicans" and "Conservatives" have practically become strangers over the years. Please use proper terminology.
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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Gotcha. So...because they are desperate we can justify paying those low wages.
    If both parties agree to it, the agreement is legitimate. Poverty is an issue, but we won't solve by making it harder to get into this country.
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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Emotional games? Im stating straight up reality. That cheap brown labor (hey...BTW...10$ an hour...thats MORE than minimum wage, right) and this mindset that we are justified in paying slave labor to do the job no AMERICAN would deign themselves to do is part of the problem
    How can they be jobs that no American would do when they were jobs that Americans did that Mexicans took over? That makes no sense and I also didn't mean to be rude with my "emotional games" comment. Sorry.
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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    Wikipedia: A liberal's most trusted source of information...

    I notice you used the word "conservative" to describe the majority of appointees. Anyone with any kind of political awareness knows that's bull****, as "Republicans" and "Conservatives" have practically become strangers over the years. Please use proper terminology.
    How right you are Sunbelt.

    Both conservatives and libertarians have had very little representation in any of the three branches of government for quite some time.

    It seems that those of us who have been paying attention expend alot of our time and energy explaining the obvious to those who haven't.

    (do you ever feel like you're trying to explain quantum physics to a third grader?)
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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    I neither suggested current immigration policy is evil nor akin to Nazi Germany. However, the reactionary attacks on so-called “illegal” immigrants are both eerily reminiscent of Nazi Germany and morally reprehensible. Fundamentally, what is the difference between forcing a person to relocate versus prohibiting them from relocating?

    The issue is not that immigrants move into this country “illegally” as so many commonly suggest. The real issue is as Empirica pointed out, “when a large number of people with low standards enter into the equation, the standards for everyone are lowered due to the efficient nature of capitalism which drives all successful economies.” I will clarify that “low standards” simply means lower wages. There are certainly people who are simply hostile to immigrants and there are many people who are ignorant of economics and are still under the spell of mercantilism, but the truth is that people move to where they are able to attain a better life. This is why most people are hostile to “illegal” immigration more than any other. They just want to keep their inflated wages. Essentially the U.S. government is attempting to act as a national union.
    I am totally confused???...Please enlighten me TNAR???

    Exactly how do you equate demanding that the federal government enforce US immigration laws to "attacks" on illegal aliens?
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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    There is nothing wrong with our current good immigration policy.

    It simply needs to be enforced.

    I am opposed to a "best and brightest" litmus test, and I find the current "keep the criminals out" litmus test satisfactory.

    I have read that there are currently around 20 million illegal immigrants in America from every race and from all over the world.

    They need to be deported.

    If we did the right thing by our current laws that would go a long way in aiding a return of prosperity to America.
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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except you are ignoring other simple facts.

    1) The less American dollars those immigrants earn are worth more than what they can earn in their home country.

    2) Those jobs don't pay at the education level of most Americans. Rather, most Americans need wages that will provide them with livable wages and will also pay off the debts they incur for their college or university education. The work that migrant workers do are not at this level.
    It's obvious that you've been listening to those politians who will say anything to franchise 12+ million new voters who are easily bought with taxpayer dollars.

    Besides farming, the illegal aliens work in all the construction trades and many factories that no longer pay wages that most americans can survive on and the restaraunts and yard maintanance jobs that young americans and teenagers once filled part time and summers.

    The fact is, there are very few jobs they are not doing, simply because political correctness has legitimized their criminal status.(undocumented workers...ha-ha, yea right)
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    Re: Does America Need A New 21st Century Immigration Policy?

    America currently faces a jobs crisis that is most brought on by off-shoring of American jobs to wage-slavers abroad and in-sourcing wage-slavers with work visas.

    Obviously, international corporate consortiums are at fault.

    In addition to enforcing our good immigration laws, we also need to take appropriate action to bring back off-shored and in-sourced jobs.

    This can be accomplished with major tax penalties to off-shorers and in-sourcers, tax breaks for hiring Americans and legal immigrants, and major tax incentives for American-soil start-up companies replacing off-shored divisions.

    Another good tool in combination is the "dreaded" tariff.

    American based companies that operate internationally need to be held to the good behavior ethic "if you make it abroad, you sell it abroad" -- that's always been a good ethical rule for us.

    The problems we suffer today began during the Reagan administration's corporate socialist movement and their mantra of "what's good for corporate America is good for Americans". Clearly that was a false belief.

    I know that President Obama's last state of the union address included much about making America competitive in the global economy by creating in our own people "the best and the brightest" competitors we can be.

    But this is absolute foolishness -- we can't compete with wage-slave labor abroad no matter how good and bright we are.

    Thus I don't see the need or the value of including a "best and brightest and healthiest" policy in our immigration laws.

    I'm concerned about regular Americans being punished for being regular Americans if we advocate becoming a land of neurotically competitive Ferengi.

    And that kind of foolish, futile behavior forced upon our school children will likely make many of them physically ill.

    History has shown that we're good enough as we are, and that our problems have usually been internally caused by bad decisions made by Washington to serve the small special interests with all the money.
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