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  • No way, are you nuts? The right to vote is fundamental. Any citizen, rich or poor, has that right.

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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As long as an American citizen shows ID and their voter registration card then they should not be denied the right to vote. That said any tax increases should only be voted on only by those who would be paying the tax increase.
    I am going to have to be somewhat nuanced in my response to you. Only taxpayers should vote for tax increases? I would say that, maybe sometimes, that should be the case. However, what do taxes pay for? Police officers, for one thing. So now the question becomes "Do we need more police officers on the streets?". Since poor people, as well as tax payers, are victims of crime, then they have a constitutional right to have a say on whether or not more police officers should be hired, regardless of who pays for it. Otherwise, you have unequal representation, which is blatantly unconstitutional.

    So the question of whether or not taxpayers only should be able to vote on taxes, while sounding OK on the surface, does not begin to address the real issue it is hiding, which is one of representation and constitutionality.
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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I am going to have to be somewhat nuanced in my response to you. Only taxpayers should vote for tax increases? I would say that, maybe sometimes, that should be the case. However, what do taxes pay for? Police officers, for one thing. So now the question becomes "Do we need more police officers on the streets?". Since poor people, as well as tax payers, are victims of crime, then they have a constitutional right to have a say on whether or not more police officers should be hired, regardless of who pays for it. Otherwise, you have unequal representation, which is blatantly unconstitutional.

    So the question of whether or not taxpayers only should be able to vote on taxes, while sounding OK on the surface, does not begin to address the real issue it is hiding, which is one of representation and constitutionality.
    Don't cities pay for police and cities use sales taxes pay for police? SO if they were to vote on a tax increase it would be a sales tax increase something which everybody pays and everybody would get to vote on since everybody pays sales taxes.

    Letting people vote on taxes they won't pay is a disastrous idea. Because I am pretty sure if conservatives said hey lets add extra taxes homosexual videos, clubs and other homosexual related stuff, the same damn people saying lets tax the **** out of the rich would be screaming bloody murder on how thats not fair. Too many people are for tax increases as long as they are not the ones going to pay for it.
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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    "Should the poor be denied the right to vote?"

    simple and only answer is NO
    if you dont not like this answer you are probably in the wrong country.
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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by BossHogg View Post
    It would be wrong to not allow the poor in general to vote. However, I would support not allowing those who live off the government through welfare/food stamps who do not work. They will always vote democrat because they will always financially support them to secure votes. I think thats wrong and I dont think people who live off the government should have any say in who is elected. I think people who dont work and live off the government should be required to volunteer in some form.
    Nice generalization there. Got any proof of that?
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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Don't cities pay for police and cities use sales taxes pay for police? SO if they were to vote on a tax increase it would be a sales tax increase something which everybody pays and everybody would get to vote on since everybody pays sales taxes.
    States get thier money to pay for police several ways. One is sales tax yes. Another however is through the federal government.
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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by BossHogg View Post
    It would be wrong to not allow the poor in general to vote. However, I would support not allowing those who live off the government through welfare/food stamps who do not work. They will always vote democrat because they will always financially support them to secure votes. I think thats wrong and I dont think people who live off the government should have any say in who is elected. I think people who dont work and live off the government should be required to volunteer in some form.
    I will agree that those who receive food stamps should not be allowed to vote so long as those who are executives or shareholders of corporations who receive government contracts should not be allowed to vote either.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    If you live in this country and use or pay for any service that is provided by the government, it is appropriate for you to have a say in how those services are provided. Hence, regardless of economics, an individual should have the right to vote.
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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    I don't believe in universal suffrage, but I don't think income amount, should define who should and should not vote.
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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    I'm suprised anyone would even question that statement, but there is plenty of evidence to support it.When you rely on the government, you tend to vote for whoever promises the most aid, which has always been the Democrats. I'm at work so I dont have time to find a really good study but after 10 seconds of searching I found this study. TANF Table 21 on the HHS website Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Percent Distribution of TANF recipients by Ethnicity/Race shows in nearly all southern red states blacks (voting 96% Democrat in the last election) make up 60-85% of welfare recipients. In Mississippi, in 2007-08, 87.1% of those on welfare were black. In Louisiana 78%, in Georgia 81.2%, in Arkansas 60.9%, in North Carolina 63.9%, in S. Carolina 71.7%, in Virginia 61.1%, in Tennessee 68.2%. I am not trying to make this a racial thing, its just the only study that I found with my limited time. On top of the racial basis for proof that it's mostly Democrats in those red states on welfare, those in poverty as a whole nationally voted about 78% Democrat in 2008.

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    Re: Should the poor be denied the right to vote?

    I'm only in favor of denying voting rights to others who want to deny voting rights.
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