Which scenario regarding Hermann Cain is most likely? (see post)

Scenario 1:
Hermann Cain has a penchant for inappropriate behavior, which is now coming back to bite him. His political rivals likely researched him and helped to bring the accusations out, but he is actually guilty of most or all of what they say he did.
Scenario 2:
Hermann Cain has never sexually harassed anyone, but his political rivals found numerous women from his past who have an axe to grind and are therefore willing to make false accusations against him.
Scenario 3:
Hermann Cain is guilty of minor sexual jabs that could be seen as inappropriate, but that would be overlooked in most workplaces. However, his political rivals have greatly exaggerated them in an attempt to bring him down.

I'm not being sarcastic with any of these possibilities. Vote for which one you think is most likely true.

three sounds the most realistic. but two and three are essentially the same because minor sexual jabs that do not constitute severe and pervasive activity are not sexual harassment.

that the current complainer has two bankruptcy filings, and hired a scum bag like Gloria Alred is rather fishy

I think there is fire behind the smoke, but I have some concerns, also...

- I am always suspect of people who hide behind attorneys. Either come forward (even with NDAs), or stay silent.

- Sharon Bialek seems credible, but... what the hell does she need Gloria Allred for? Seriously.

- A fifth one? Either he's was very active, and/or some are coming out of the woodwork and making stuff up for their own personal gain.

I said "scenario 3", but I do not know how minor they were. You downplayed it to "oh it was nothing and this liberal media is running with it" - just as every conservative news outlet is doing - but that is quite unfair to the women who accused him of sexual advances years ago. There is a lot of hype, no doubt about that, but it would be crass to assume that he has never done anything wrong and these woman were all being greedy.

TurtleDude said:

three sounds the most realistic. but two and three are essentially the same because minor sexual jabs that do not constitute severe and pervasive activity are not sexual harassment.

that the current complainer has two bankruptcy filings, and hired a scum bag like Gloria Alred is rather fishy

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Why didn't she speak out in 2004 when Cain was running for the Senate?

TurtleDude said:

three sounds the most realistic. but two and three are essentially the same because minor sexual jabs that do not constitute severe and pervasive activity are not sexual harassment.

that the current complainer has two bankruptcy filings, and hired a scum bag like Gloria Alred is rather fishy

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I don't think that is true in allot of cases. I got talked to by my supervisor because me and a friend had said "they just don't understand" talking about our wife's jokingly. A female co-worker over heard us and came out and said "I am offended by that." We had no idea what she was talking about so I asked what she meant. She literally said "they" in regards to females.

We live in a PC crazy world, and it is getting worse.

Most likely option three, IMO.


Although 2 and 3 are identical for all intents and purposes.

This is the only way the Democrats have to attack the reputation of a black candidate. In that they have no problem with the same alleged behavior in a white president (Clinton, "the first black president") the complaints are without any doubt racially motivated. There is a slim chance that one of Cain's primary opponents have organized this. If so, in my opinion, it would have to be Perry, who I lost any respect I had for him during the debates. If I was Axelrod I would consider doing this to try to create chaos among the Republican candidates and have them pointing fingers at each other. It almost worked.

BTW, I voted 3

racially motivated? bull****.

This is the only way the Democrats have to attack the reputation of a black candidate. In that they have no problem with the same alleged behavior in a white president (Clinton, "the first black president") the complaints are without any doubt racially motivated

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Unfortunately your theory falls apart when you look at the fact that every news agency was running the Clinton scandal 24/7. How has news coverage of Cain differed from Clinton? It seems like your complaint is that Americans didn't care and continued to support Clinton. So is the majority of Americans are in a vast conspiracy to defame a black Republican? Where are you going with this because you make no sense whatsoever. Is you point that it's covered in the news and you think Clinton sex scandals were not covered? Is your point Americans gave Clinton a pass? What is your argument.

There is a slim chance that one of Cain's primary opponents have organized this. If so, in my opinion, it would have to be Perry, who I lost any respect I had for him during the debates. If I was Axelrod I would consider doing this to try to create chaos among the Republican candidates and have them pointing fingers at each other. It almost worked.

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Axelrod did what? Got two women to file sexual harrassement claims back in the 1990's?

Luna Tick said:

Scenario 1:
Hermann Cain has a penchant for inappropriate behavior, which is now coming back to bite him. His political rivals likely researched him and helped to bring the accusations out, but he is actually guilty of most or all of what they say he did.
Scenario 2:
Hermann Cain has never sexually harassed anyone, but his political rivals found numerous women from his past who have an axe to grind and are therefore willing to make false accusations against him.
Scenario 3:
Hermann Cain is guilty of minor sexual jabs that could be seen as inappropriate, but that would be overlooked in most workplaces. However, his political rivals have greatly exaggerated them in an attempt to bring him down.

I'm not being sarcastic with any of these possibilities. Vote for which one you think is most likely true.

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The scenario I see is that its election time and opponents are desperate. Its the Clarence Thomas nomination all over again. Whaa we do not like viable black conservatives or viable alleged black conservatives so make up accusations of sexual misconduct against them. I suspect though it might mostly be another republican trying to push these sexual allegations. Because if the allegations were actually true then these allegations would benefit republican primary opponents more than they would Obama. It would be more in the interest of Obama supporters to wait until Cain got the nomination and then like a month or two prior to the main election release the allegations. When stories get old voters lose interests in those stories as well as any outrage they had at the time.

TurtleDude said:

three sounds the most realistic. but two and three are essentially the same because minor sexual jabs that do not constitute severe and pervasive activity are not sexual harassment.

that the current complainer has two bankruptcy filings, and hired a scum bag like Gloria Alred is rather fishy

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What does filing for bankruptcy have to do with Cain exploring under her skirt while she was applying for employment?

liblady said:

racially motivated? bull****.

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Probably not directly racially motivated, but certainly politically motivated. If the Democrats can't discredit Cain so that a non-black Republican candidate runs, they lose all of their racial juice that got Obama elected in the first place.

Scenario 4

In the election picture it doesnt matter if they are true or not because he was never a serious candidate. :shrug:

Objective-J said:

Scenario 4

In the election picture it doesnt matter if they are true or not because he was never a serious candidate. :shrug:

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It doesn't matter whether the accusations or true or not if they succeed in destroying his candidacy. And I see in this thread that at least one person assumes that the hand-up-the-skirt account is fact. The woman, while referring to her notes, stated that this is what happened. She said/he said. Doesn't matter whether it's true if people accept that it is.

nota bene said:

It doesn't matter whether the accusations or true or not if they succeed in destroying his candidacy. And I see in this thread that at least one person assumes that the hand-up-the-skirt account is fact. The woman, while referring to her notes, stated that this is what happened. She said/he said. Doesn't matter whether it's true if people accept that it is.

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but like I already said you have to start with domino number ONE

his candidacy doesnt matter because he isnt a serious candidate and was never going to be president :shrug:

I think we just dont know. The first two...I would guess...guess...that something happened that was relatively benign, the NRA leadership felt it would be best to toss out a token payment, and whatever happened to the two individuals was insignificant enough to them that they signed off on a pretty small scale settlement. The latest to come out? Anytime someone shows up with Gloria Allred at her side, she blows her credibility before she even opens her mouth.

At this point I dont care. My problem isnt with the allegations or even the level/severity. Cain lost me on this issue when he came and said he didnt know anything about any of this. Sorry...just not believable and not credible.

I would say 3, but seriously a few months ago I told one girl at work she had a nice fat ass (in a good way). If I told certain other girls the same thing that would have been sexual harassment, I would have gotten fired. I would say it is something like that.

radcen said:

I think there is fire behind the smoke, but I have some concerns, also...

- I am always suspect of people who hide behind attorneys. Either come forward (even with NDAs), or stay silent.

- Sharon Bialek seems credible, but... what the hell does she need Gloria Allred for? Seriously.

- A fifth one? Either he's was very active, and/or some are coming out of the woodwork and making stuff up for their own personal gain.

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I think you are the only person who believes her(sharon) to be credible, lol.

After the "Princess Nancy" comments, it is crystal clear Cain has a problem in the area of respecting women.

As for how many of the allegations against him are true, I believe the two that resulted in settlements are definitely true because the ladies had no reason to believe Cain would ever be a political figure when they were made, that Sharon Bialek allegations have about a 75% chance of being true and I'm undecided as yet on the fourth.

Frolicking Dinosaurs said:

After the "Princess Nancy" comments, it is crystal clear Cain has a problem in the area of respecting women.

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Wait...because he said something against Nancy it is "crystal clear" he has a problem with women? How is making a jab at one women translate into him having a problem respecting women in general?

iliveonramen said:

Unfortunately your theory falls apart when you look at the fact that every news agency was running the Clinton scandal 24/7. How has news coverage of Cain differed from Clinton? It seems like your complaint is that Americans didn't care and continued to support Clinton. So is the majority of Americans are in a vast conspiracy to defame a black Republican? Where are you going with this because you make no sense whatsoever. Is you point that it's covered in the news and you think Clinton sex scandals were not covered? Is your point Americans gave Clinton a pass? What is your argument.


Axelrod did what? Got two women to file sexual harrassement claims back in the 1990's?

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Democrats are so comically incredulous when someone insinuates they might be racist or sexist. This situation is clearly deja vu Clarence Thomas who was falsely attacked by Democrats so the Republicans wouldn't have a black conservative on the court. Their action was taken to prevent a black man from achieving a position of power; racism. That presumption that inappropriate behavior toward women is typical of black men or is a weakness of blackmen is what defined this tactic. BTW, there have been no credible substantiated cases of "sexual harassment", just alleged accusations of inappropriate behavior or speech in Cain's case.

It was Clinton's own PR who called him the first "black" president (ask Dick Morris) because of his horndog sexist behavior. That's not exactly a compliment to black men in general (ask Bill Cosby). After all, Clintons horrible behavior was well documented and wasn't just innuendo. It was well documented enough for him to be impeached for misrepreseting his actions. The democrats re-elected him because of his political successes, IMO, in spite of his disgusting behavior. Guess they weren't paying attention; those successes were actually those of Newt Gingrich's "Contract with America". I don't feel like going on forever on this but I could. More blacks should read more history. It was the democrats wearing the pointy hats and robes. It was the Republicans that went to war to free them. It's the democrats still that try to keep them dependent on the plantation government handouts.

TurtleDude said:

three sounds the most realistic. but two and three are essentially the same because minor sexual jabs that do not constitute severe and pervasive activity are not sexual harassment.

that the current complainer has two bankruptcy filings, and hired a scum bag like Gloria Alred is rather fishy

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Be that as it may, the fact that several of his accusers actually got decent money in a settlement suggests that 3 isn't as realistic as you want it to be.

So...heres scenario WTF...

“I can’t go any further without pointing out that it’s yet another blonde white woman who is accusing him of doing and saying things that are inappropriate,” Touré told O’Donnell, noting that this was worth mentioning because “the instinctual fear in America of black men being sexually inappropriate or aggressive or dominating with white women is very, very deep.” He did believe that this would hurt the Cain campaign because “people start to feel this on a deep level: ‘He keeps going after our women– we don’t like this!’”

Touré: Cain Scandal Feeds Off ‘Instinctual Fear’ Of Black Men ‘Being Dominating’ With White Women | Mediaite

MSNBC contributors losing their mind because even though Cain is black white voters are STILL supporting him...

just...wow.