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Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

  • He should stay, he wasn't involved.

    Votes: 3 5.8%

  • He should stay, he did what his part by reporting it to somebody.

    Votes: 8 15.4%

  • He should go, he didn't do enough.

    Votes: 36 69.2%

  • He should go, he's ultimately responsible no matter what.

    Votes: 4 7.7%

  • I have no clue. Fill me in.

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Total voters
    52
Boo Radley said:
Really, especially McQueary,you don'tsee someone doing this and walk away.
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One hopes that he felt severely threatened somehow. It's hard to imagine a scenario where you could consider not staying at the issue of a ten year old being raped.
 
According to the law, he didn't report the accusation properly.

It's a bad beat, he got caught up in the politics of the university's image and brand, and didn't do what was morally and legally right.

The program is disgraced. That felt like punishment enough, to go out on a low... but the university wanted to make the ultimate statement.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
One hopes that he felt severely threatened somehow. It's hard to imagine a scenario where you could consider not staying at the issue of a ten year old being raped.
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McQueary, who testified that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the shower in 2002, has endured similar scrutiny. The university's athletic department released a one-line statement Thursday night saying it would be "in the best interest of all" if the receivers coach didn't attend the season's final home game at Beaver Stadium. The school did not provide details on precisely who threatened McQueary.


Mike McQueary On Administrative Leave: Penn State Coach Out Indefinitely


On ESPN I heard he called his dad and asked what he should do. His dad told him to leave the building. If that is true, he did not act as he should have, and left that boy in harms way. We do know it was the next day before he said anything to his boss, PapaJoe.
 
Boo Radley said:
If that is true, he did not act as he should have, and left that boy in harms way. We do know it was the next day before he said anything to his boss, PapaJoe.
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I am not sure if there's any part of this disgusting affair that I can wrap my head around. How could you walk away from that? I suspect that isn't the sort of thing that you can unsee and forget about. He had to have memories of that surface from time to time. How can you go through that w/o trying to do what could about it? Was he that afraid of the senior coaches et al?
 
DaveFagan said:
I think he should have been allowed to retire. He didn't do enough, but he's 84 years old with a proud record and he didn't deserve to be shouldered with disproportionate blame. I hate the abuse, but there are so many other decisions in play that it just reinforces the fact that Joe Paterno is a football coach, not a professional counselor and he's also not perfect. He has been the only class act in the whole incident. He hasn't tried to cast blame elsewhere, nor complained about his treatment. He's just tried to get on with life with this huge turd crowding his lane.
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You know what's odd - he could have and should have retired a long time ago. He hung around - they let him hang around - long after his retirement age. If he had retired in the past none of this would really be such a public drama.

However - him being famous brought this to everyone's attention when it broke rather than keeping it swept under the rug.
 
Boo Radley said:
McQueary, who testified that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the shower in 2002, has endured similar scrutiny. The university's athletic department released a one-line statement Thursday night saying it would be "in the best interest of all" if the receivers coach didn't attend the season's final home game at Beaver Stadium. The school did not provide details on precisely who threatened McQueary.


Mike McQueary On Administrative Leave: Penn State Coach Out Indefinitely


On ESPN I heard he called his dad and asked what he should do. His dad told him to leave the building. If that is true, he did not act as he should have, and left that boy in harms way. We do know it was the next day before he said anything to his boss, PapaJoe.
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Interesting development. I heard yesterday that he was still going to be coaching, either on the sidelines or in the press box.
 
Tashah said:
Everyone should take 10 minutes and read the grand jury indictment. Victims 1-8...

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/Sandusky.pdf

nauseating :(
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That was nauseating.

So - really - no one ever did anything right except Victim #1's mother - she reported it to the high school at that time and the school fired him and reported him to authorities per incident #1. . . so why

Curley and Shultz lied their ass off to cover for Sandusky which is worse than Paterno's actions. . . but basically: everyone was at fault - and why didn't Child Protective Services pursue this further earlier than now?

And I stopped reading at page 7 or something - that's just too twisted and sick for me to read.
 
Here's the timeline of events:

Penn State Scandal: A Timeline Of Abuse And Major Events In The Sandusky Case | Ology

You'll notice that Sandusky didn't work for Penn State when Paterno found out what happened and you should also notice the same board that now tells us JoPa is to blame also didn't report the information they had to the police. Plus, the police knew this guy was molesting children as far back as 1998. They had a confession and everything and the DA did nothing. Blame the board. Blame the police. Blame the DA. But don't blame the guy that did what he was supposed to do.
 
Boo Radley said:
McQueary, who testified that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the shower in 2002, has endured similar scrutiny. The university's athletic department released a one-line statement Thursday night saying it would be "in the best interest of all" if the receivers coach didn't attend the season's final home game at Beaver Stadium. The school did not provide details on precisely who threatened McQueary.


Mike McQueary On Administrative Leave: Penn State Coach Out Indefinitely


On ESPN I heard he called his dad and asked what he should do. His dad told him to leave the building. If that is true, he did not act as he should have, and left that boy in harms way. We do know it was the next day before he said anything to his boss, PapaJoe.
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All of this is in the grand jury report. I believe that McQueary was a grad student assistant at the time. I don't wish to be unfair, but considering his current position, I have to wonder how much he has had to "compartmentalize" over the years. Did he believe that what he witnessed was a one-time/one-kid thing? Did he never hear the whispers over the years? Did he "forget"?

Anyway, Paterno is now gone, and the question now is whether McQueary's administrative leave will become permanent.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Here's the timeline of events:

Penn State Scandal: A Timeline Of Abuse And Major Events In The Sandusky Case | Ology

You'll notice that Sandusky didn't work for Penn State when Paterno found out what happened and you should also notice the same board that now tells us JoPa is to blame also didn't report the information they had to the police. Plus, the police knew this guy was molesting children as far back as 1998. They had a confession and everything and the DA did nothing. Blame the board. Blame the police. Blame the DA. But don't blame the guy that did what he was supposed to do.
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The issue doesn't center around Sandusky's employment status - he didn't have to be a payroll employee. The fact remains that this happened when he had access to the school, he used school campus to perpetrate his crimes and attack his victims, was seen doing so on campus, Paterno and others who were employed by the school knew - because of their decisions Sandusky was never reported like he should have been - he just wasn't allowed to bring children around.

March 1, 2002: Graduate assistant Mike McQueary​ witnesses Sandusky anally raping Victim 2 in Penn State showers.

March 2, 2002: McQueary reports the incident to head coach Joe Paterno.

March 3, 2002: Joe Paterno meets with Athletic Director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz. Paterno relays to Curley and Schultz what McQueary told him.

Mid-March 2002: McQueary meets with Curley and Schultz.

March 2002: Sandusky is banned from bringing children to Penn State's campus. Per Curley's directive, Sandusky's locker room keys are taken. Former President Graham Spanier is aware of the ban.
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ksu_aviator said:
Here's the timeline of events:

Penn State Scandal: A Timeline Of Abuse And Major Events In The Sandusky Case | Ology

You'll notice that Sandusky didn't work for Penn State when Paterno found out what happened and you should also notice the same board that now tells us JoPa is to blame also didn't report the information they had to the police. Plus, the police knew this guy was molesting children as far back as 1998. They had a confession and everything and the DA did nothing. Blame the board. Blame the police. Blame the DA. But don't blame the guy that did what he was supposed to do.
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Poor Paterno has suffered much as these young kids hasn't he?

We didn't fire him. Penn State did. More than his involvement in this sorry affair I think Penn State needed to do damage control. By firing Paterno they are saying "Look at us, we are cleaning everything from the top to bottom. Really don't think Paterno would be up for the investigation to come.
 
Crosscheck said:
Poor Paterno has suffered much as these young kids hasn't he?

We didn't fire him. Penn State did. More than his involvement in this sorry affair I think Penn State needed to do damage control. By firing Paterno they are saying "Look at us, we are cleaning everything from the top to bottom. Really don't think Paterno would be up for the investigation to come.
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Because of his age?

I've never paid any attention to Penn State football, and I ask because I read a Houston Chronicle sports blog this morning that suggests that hubris would be a significant problem too.

What do you make of this? Paterno failed Penn State more than any coach has ever failed a school, and that’s not the worst of it. | SportsJustice | a Chron.com blog
 
Crosscheck said:
Poor Paterno has suffered much as these young kids hasn't he?

We didn't fire him. Penn State did. More than his involvement in this sorry affair I think Penn State needed to do damage control. By firing Paterno they are saying "Look at us, we are cleaning everything from the top to bottom. Really don't think Paterno would be up for the investigation to come.
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Right. He was fired by the same board that didn't report what he reported to them. Don't see any hypocrisy there?
 
OscarB63 said:
especially the grad student who actually witnessed the rape and did absolutely NOTHING to stop it. amazes me that so many people are OUTRAGED and want to crucify Paterno for "not doing enough" and yet those same people never even mention McQueary. I guess he isn't famous enough to warrant hatred. :shrug:
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Oh trust me: I wish them ALL Death. And that includes anybody that is trying to defend alll of these monsters. I do mean ANY.
 
OscarB63 said:
sorry, grad students (unless you are doogie howser) are at least 22-23 years old. that's a man, not a boy.

I ask again: why are those so eager to lynch Paterno so equally eager to absolve the one and only person who could have actually stopped the attack?



sure Paterno didn't do enough, he should have forced McCreary to go to the cops. But McCreary is/was a ****ing gutless coward who stood by and watched a young boy get raped and didn't lift a finger to try to stop it
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McCreary should have killed that sick asshole. I am a female and if I see some stuff like that? I don't care if I may be killed that pervert pedophile will either be major hurt or dead or both. I may die trying but that is a risk I am willing to take.
 
Cephus said:
But Joe doesn't live in any of those 40 states, does he? What he did was entirely legal in the state in which he lived at the time that he did it. If the laws change, they don't become retroactive. You may not like that he didn't do more, but he did what he had to do and anyone criticizing him is just being emotional.
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He has a lawyer now. That tells me all I need to know.

Anybody defending him is sick. He did what he needed to do? REALLY? The hell he did! He was involved in a cover up of child rape.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
What would you do if you found out about someone you work with who was raping children?
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Based on post in this thread? I am guessing the if he did anything? He would do the least he had to do..
 
Simon W. Moon said:
It's not that hard. There're a number of free programs which are readily available.
I didn't know he researched that himself.
Seems like overkill to wipe it then drop it in the river apart from its laptop. But, there's no telling what his state of mind was and what he thought was necessary I suppose.
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Maybe they are all involved in a big internet kiddie boy porn ring. Maybe he was gonna expose it all or something and they had him killed. I am sure he is dead and suspect it has something to do with all this Penn State cover up stuff.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Right. He was fired by the same board that didn't report what he reported to them. Don't see any hypocrisy there?
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Huh, nothing in the grand jury testimony supports that statement.

Try again.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I am not sure if there's any part of this disgusting affair that I can wrap my head around. How could you walk away from that? I suspect that isn't the sort of thing that you can unsee and forget about. He had to have memories of that surface from time to time. How can you go through that w/o trying to do what could about it? Was he that afraid of the senior coaches et al?
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I really don't know. I can't see how he walks away at all. It is beyond my understanding.
 
Paterno is like the pope of penn state. He has many followers even though he condones pedophilia.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I am not sure if there's any part of this disgusting affair that I can wrap my head around. How could you walk away from that? I suspect that isn't the sort of thing that you can unsee and forget about. He had to have memories of that surface from time to time. How can you go through that w/o trying to do what could about it? Was he that afraid of the senior coaches et al?
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Yeah, I'm also wondering how this guy goes to sleep at night.
 
99percenter said:
Paterno is like the pope of penn state. He has many followers even though he condones pedophilia.
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Oh bullspit. No body believes he condones pedophilia. IF anything, the knock on him is that he didn't do enough, but no one...NO ONE....believe he condones pedophilia. If you do, you are reacting with emotions only.

I'm noticing a lot of people are not thinking this through and just going with the mob mentality.
 
99percenter said:
Paterno is like the pope of penn state. He has many followers even though he condones pedophilia.
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That has got to be one of, if not the most idiotic things I've ever read on this site. Congrats.
 
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