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  • He should stay, he wasn't involved.

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  • He should stay, he did what his part by reporting it to somebody.

    59 52.68%
  • He should go, he didn't do enough.

    39 34.82%
  • He should go, he's ultimately responsible no matter what.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Maybe some did - is there proof?

    If a parent knows their child is being molested and does nothing they deserve just as much judgment - maybe more.

    But I'm not about to assume any of them knew unless evidence comes out as such.
    Yea, I'm just wondering why more parents didn't come forth. Maybe the fact that they were 'underpriveledged' meant they didn't have caring parents around?

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Joe Paterno is a good decent man and always has been. He was told by someone that they had witnessed an long time friend of his abusing a boy...he reported it to his superiors who did nothing...After Joe was fired he said I wish I had done more...yes he should have when it happened....

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    To all you people who see blood in the water and want to lynch Coach Paterno, argurely the greatest coach in the history of NCAA football (409 wins) he should definitely stay
    What in the world does him being a great football coach have to do with this, at all?

    ....He committed no crime.....
    Few are suggesting he did. The question is more if he should stay or go. There's a laundry list of coaches who have been let go for things that aren't violations of the law. Most recently Jim Tressel.

    He reported the abuse to the AD which is what is required of him
    Yes, it was the bare minimum required of him. Joe Paterno, the man that IS Penn State, the man that has astronomically more power and sway on that campus then the AD, reported it to the AD and...that was it. He continued to work along side Sandusky at events, continued to see him come into his weight room and his facilities, continued to watch him in the community without seemingly by any reports confronting him. And during it all never taking the time or having the thought to call the police when it became evident nothing was done to Sandusky, inquire to his "superiors" if and what was done, or anything of the sort.

    Paterno did the bare minimum of what was required of him, and that was it. To me, that's not criminal...but I could damn well understand the University deciding they don't want the negative attention and questions coming their way by keeping him on.

    ...The AD or his superior notified the police in 1999....
    The incident in question was in 2002.

    The AD nor his superior notified the police. The police were not notified until 2008 by the mother of a child.

    If anyone is guilty it is the Police who did nothing.
    The police did act the moment they actually were made aware of it.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    So far, there are at least four people under scrutiny for failure to report, all of whom work at the university: Paterno, the head of the athetic department to whom he reported the incident, the dean of the university who also had the incident reported to him, and an assistant coach, who was the original witness. The university board is furious with all of them, and I suspect all of them will soon be out of a job, if not formally charged with a crime.

    As it should be.
    Sandusky is going to court. The President has been forced out I believe. The VP and AD are up on charges. Paterno has just been fired. Mcqueary is on the team still, though I know as of Wednesday he had told the WR corps to expect that he could be gone before the game this weekend (according to my cousin). Some are speculating that McQueary may be kept becuase the university fears a civil suit possibly due to McQueary being viewed as a whistleblower. Unlike Paterno, there were significant and realistic job related consequences had McQueary as a Grad Student went outside of the chain of Command. Though I don't know how much weight those theories of speculation may have and I wouldn't be shocked ot see McQueary gone soon as well.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Yea, I'm just wondering why more parents didn't come forth. Maybe the fact that they were 'underpriveledged' meant they didn't have caring parents around?
    A lot of parents simply don't know. There's not a giant sign over the kids head saying "I've been molested". Often times a parent may not find out till decades later.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What in the world does him being a great football coach have to do with this, at all?



    Few are suggesting he did. The question is more if he should stay or go. There's a laundry list of coaches who have been let go for things that aren't violations of the law. Most recently Jim Tressel.



    Yes, it was the bare minimum required of him. Joe Paterno, the man that IS Penn State, the man that has astronomically more power and sway on that campus then the AD, reported it to the AD and...that was it. He continued to work along side Sandusky at events, continued to see him come into his weight room and his facilities, continued to watch him in the community without seemingly by any reports confronting him. And during it all never taking the time or having the thought to call the police when it became evident nothing was done to Sandusky, inquire to his "superiors" if and what was done, or anything of the sort.

    Paterno did the bare minimum of what was required of him, and that was it. To me, that's not criminal...but I could damn well understand the University deciding they don't want the negative attention and questions coming their way by keeping him on.



    The incident in question was in 2002.

    The AD nor his superior notified the police. The police were not notified until 2008 by the mother of a child.



    The police did act the moment they actually were made aware of it.
    Completely agree.

    Teachers are mandated reporters. And that doesn't mean, "I told my boss." I'm very surprised that coaches aren't....they should be.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Joe Paterno is a good decent man and always has been. He was told by someone that they had witnessed an long time friend of his abusing a boy...he reported it to his superiors who did nothing...After Joe was fired he said I wish I had done more...yes he should have when it happened....
    Now this I agree with. Joe Paterno made a mistake. A mistake that in retrospect was horrible. At the same time, trying to remove my emotions from it, you have a grad student telling you that one of your longest lasting friends and someone you've put a lot of trust in was doing something henious like this. You don't want to believe it because it just makes no sense to you but you do your duty to report it to your superiors. You don't see anything done and, since its a long time friend, you just assume...maybe blissfully ignorant in a way...that nothing came of it and its all okay.

    Taking the emotion out of "OMG 10 year old being anally raped, how did you not do anything, RARRR!" I can actually understand a situation where Paterno does what he did.

    That doesn't mean I think its right, doesn't mean I don't think he should've been fired, doesn't mean his actions didn't play a part in this. It just means I can understand HOW he could've done what he did without it being done in such a way that was purposefully callous towards Children or dirty caring only about football and protecting his schools good name.

    I do think Paterno is in general a good person. You don't last as many years as him with the sterling reputation of Penn State trying to instil a moral and upstanding character into the kids that came through there without it being somewhat true. I think the fact that, in hindsight, he realizes he SHOULD'VE done more is going to eat at him until the day he dies...and if he wasn't a good man I don't think that'd be the case.

    Sadly though, good men must suffer for their actions just like bad men do, and Joe's gotta take his lumps for this one.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Maybe some did - is there proof?

    If a parent knows their child is being molested and does nothing they deserve just as much judgment - maybe more.

    But I'm not about to assume any of them knew unless evidence comes out as such.
    Perhaps the child was afraid to tell the parents.
    Remember that in the "good ole days" molestation was not considered to be as dirty as it is today..
    And "Papa Joe" is surely a product of the good ole days.
    We fools have made him into a "god"...
    A football coach.....Yet an innovator, a whistle blower is vilified.
    We do have a ways to go !

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    I didn't turn him into anything - however - and don't see how his job as a football teacher should be relevant at all. . . yet it's the determining factor in how much people thin kthey give a damn . . .like all the college students who are 'protesting'

    Too bad people don't protest NAMBLA with the same fervor.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    A decent honest man when told his defensive cooridnator was having anal sex with a ten year old boy in the school's shower room would puke first. Then after reporting the offense to the atheletic director notices nothing has been done just carries on as usual? I don't think I could stomach seeing Sandusky's sick face after that. As head coach did Paterno even approach Sandusky?

    No, this isn't a decent honest man.

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