View Poll Results: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

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  • He should stay, he wasn't involved.

    8 7.14%
  • He should stay, he did what his part by reporting it to somebody.

    59 52.68%
  • He should go, he didn't do enough.

    39 34.82%
  • He should go, he's ultimately responsible no matter what.

    5 4.46%
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    The emotional rush to judgment in this thread is quite fascinating... and a perfect example why emotion should be severely limited, if not entirely eliminated, from legal and non-legal justice.

    I tend to agree with Oscar, though not entirely. The people who say and/or imply that Paterno did nothing are absolutely factually wrong. The question is, did he do enough? Now I read that the DA did hear of it, somehow, and that they chose to do nothing. Yet some people are foaming at the mouth that a DA was contacted instead of the police. As a friend of mine used to say, that's picking bird **** out of horse ****. It's not the military, there is no proper "chain of command", and any charges would have gone through the DA anyway. If the DA thought it worthy, they could have referred it back to the police.

    People are emotional because kids are involved. I get that. Don't let your emotion cloud your otherwise good judgment. Don't be willing to hang 100 people in the hopes you get the relative few who actually are responsible for prolonging the situation. That may feel good in the short run, but that's not justice, either.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    correct, YOU call the authorities. you don't go running to the coach and expect him to do it for you. If you want to hold someone responsible, hold the guy who actually witnessed the act responsible
    But as a responsible party involved common sense would dictate that one call the Police and Paterno could have done so. If nothing come of the report at least he stays out of the hot seat. If the report is valid he becomes the hero and saves the day. This way he shows to be be smarmy and not a very good judge of ill situations. Doing the right thing may well not always be enough. Did no one even consider the boy who was being assaulted? Do no one consider the damage done to him or did they all line up to protect themselves from the fallout?
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Did no one even consider the boy who was being assaulted? Do no one consider the damage done to him or did they all line up to protect themselves from the fallout?
    ask the guy who saw him being assaulted and did nothing
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The emotional rush to judgment in this thread is quite fascinating... and a perfect example why emotion should be severely limited, if not entirely eliminated, from legal and non-legal justice.

    I tend to agree with Oscar, though not entirely. The people who say and/or imply that Paterno did nothing are absolutely factually wrong. The question is, did he do enough? Now I read that the DA did hear of it, somehow, and that they chose to do nothing. Yet some people are foaming at the mouth that a DA was contacted instead of the police. As a friend of mine used to say, that's picking bird **** out of horse ****. It's not the military, there is no proper "chain of command", and any charges would have gone through the DA anyway. If the DA thought it worthy, they could have referred it back to the police.

    People are emotional because kids are involved. I get that. Don't let your emotion cloud your otherwise good judgment. Don't be willing to hang 100 people in the hopes you get the relative few who actually are responsible for prolonging the situation. That may feel good in the short run, but that's not justice, either.
    I did not know people where making the claim paterno did nothing. That certainly is not the claim I have been hearing.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    ask the guy who saw him being assaulted and did nothing
    I actually still am amazed at this part. I just cannot imagine what goes through the mind of some one who sees a young kid being molested and just walks away. How? How can you just walk away?
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I actually still am amazed at this part. I just cannot imagine what goes through the mind of some one who sees a young kid being molested and just walks away. How? How can you just walk away?
    exactly, all this anger directed at Paterno and hardly any directed at the one guy who could have actually done something about it. My question is, how long did the guy wait before he told Paterno about it? I haven't seen a timeline of the events. was it the same day? was it the next day? was it the next week?
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    exactly, all this anger directed at Paterno and hardly any directed at the one guy who could have actually done something about it. My question is, how long did the guy wait before he told Paterno about it? I haven't seen a timeline of the events. was it the same day? was it the next day? was it the next week?
    I believe it was the next day, but I would not swear to that.

    The reason most of the talk centers on Paterno is because he is the famous person.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    This whole thing demostrates the power of denial. A whole lot of people are declaring what they would have done and what some of the people should have done but don't be so fast to condemn. The monster in all this is Sandusky. He is a Class A predator. His guise and demeanor is devoted to covering tracks, manipulation, ingratiation and great works to elevate himself to just beyond suspicion. He creates an aura plausible deniability in the minds of those closest to him. Normal people just cannot get their head around the idea that this seemingly wonderful, normal man could do anything like this. They are driven to denial. These predators plan their whole lives around their obsession. It is crazy to think that they can pull it off for so long and not crack. Extreme narcissm I think is what holds them together. I gaurantee you that his wife and many others realized something wrong was going on but when they spent time with him, drank with him, coached football with him, they put it aside. Some didn't want to know, some feared to know and some just dimissed it. The nerve and boldness of these predators to do what they do is amazing, beyond belief for us. I know it is kind of hard to summon up some pity for Joe Paterno for his part. But I do have a some understanding.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    ask the guy who saw him being assaulted and did nothing
    I would say that no one up the line from the first witness on did anything with the interests of the child in mind. It just appears that everyone did the least they had to do required by law to cover their own asses and hope that the alleged perpetrator never got caught so the school and all involved didn't get hung out to dry. Doing the least they could did in no way help that child. If you walked in on a child being raped would you call the police, talk to your dad, or would you try and help the child? I would have done all I could have to help the child in intimidate danger, that to me is the proper thing to do. Perhaps none of these people are all that proper.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    I do believe that Joe Paterno should most likely retire due to age, not this scandal of which he is not guilty of doing anything other than reporting it to the wrong people. He most likely believed that it was nothing to be concerned with as a coach, since the report and investigation he THOUGHT was being conducted never amounted to criminal charges. Maybe he should have asked more questions about it, but then again maybe he figured it was being handled by competent and honorable investigators.
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