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  • He should stay, he wasn't involved.

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  • He should stay, he did what his part by reporting it to somebody.

    59 52.68%
  • He should go, he didn't do enough.

    39 34.82%
  • He should go, he's ultimately responsible no matter what.

    5 4.46%
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the fact that the grad student told Paterno and not the cops is relevent. If you want to blame someone for "not doing more"...blame him
    I do. That does not absolve Paterno for his inaction.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do. That does not absolve Paterno for his inaction.
    I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then. I just don't think that "guilt" should extend along the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Given that Paterno had no direct knowledge of the event, he did the right thing by reporting it to his superior.

    to expect someone to go to the cops with an REO speedwagon "heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another" account of an alleged incident is ridiculous.

    The only thing I can fault Paterno with is not telling the grad student to take his info to the cops.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Paterno should not only go. He should be indicted, and sent to prison, for helping to cover up the damage inflicted by a predator.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then. I just don't think that "guilt" should extend along the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Given that Paterno had no direct knowledge of the event, he did the right thing by reporting it to his superior.

    to expect someone to go to the cops with an REO speedwagon "heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another" account of an alleged incident is ridiculous.

    The only thing I can fault Paterno with is not telling the grad student to take his info to the cops.
    The difference is that Paterno was in the "chain of command".

    Look at it this way, if I am in each person's place:

    If I see some one molesting a kid, there is going to be an ass whupping, mine or the molester. I might get my ass kicked, but I am going to do my best to make them hurt. That stops the molesting. Then I am calling the cops.

    If I have a subordinate/worker/whatever come to me and tell me they witnessed some one else on staff molesting a kid on the premises, I would have them call the cops while I called my boss.

    If I am the AD and some one comes to me with the story, I ensure the accused is not alone near kids while I make sure the police are notified.

    At every step, ensuring the police are notified is key. Not my boss(though he has to be notified to), not an AG to make a deal, but the police, as a crime had been allegedly committed.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then. I just don't think that "guilt" should extend along the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Given that Paterno had no direct knowledge of the event, he did the right thing by reporting it to his superior.

    to expect someone to go to the cops with an REO speedwagon "heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another" account of an alleged incident is ridiculous.

    The only thing I can fault Paterno with is not telling the grad student to take his info to the cops.
    I can only hope that if this was some random high school vice-principal or head gym teacher instead of legendary football coach JoePa you'd think otherwise, Oscar. Yes, you've probably looked up to him for a long time. But, he was wrong. The university should not want to be associated with any of that stuff regardless of the wins he's provided over the years. Winning football does not trump ignoring the rape of youths.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Paterno should have done more because of the nature of the action, alleged or otherwise.

    It's not like he was told about some frat rats chugging vodka in the field house; the accusation was exponentially more significant. Should he have went to the cops right away, maybe so; but he also had to consider the aforementioned REO Speedwagon scenario.

    I think he should have done more.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The difference is that Paterno was in the "chain of command".

    Look at it this way, if I am in each person's place:


    If I have a subordinate/worker/whatever come to me and tell me they witnessed some one else on staff molesting a kid on the premises, I would have them call the cops while I called my boss.

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    which is why I said I fault Paterno for not telling the grad student to call the cops. It was not Paterno's place to call the cops. If I was a prosecutor, I wouldn't even call Paterno as a witness, since he witnessed nothing
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Having worked around cops for the better part of my military career, I can tell you that the police don't generally take second hand reports of alleged crime very seriously.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Having worked around cops for the better part of my military career, I can tell you that the police don't generally take second hand reports of alleged crime very seriously.
    Their job is to take that report and thoroughly investigate it..especially pedophillia or anything that endangers a child...and Oscar trust if Joe Paterno made that report in pa...the cops would have been RIGHT on it

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    I can only hope that if this was some random high school vice-principal or head gym teacher instead of legendary football coach JoePa you'd think otherwise, Oscar. Yes, you've probably looked up to him for a long time. But, he was wrong. The university should not want to be associated with any of that stuff regardless of the wins he's provided over the years. Winning football does not trump ignoring the rape of youths.
    bad assumption. I have never given paterno much thought at all. I am not a Penn State fan and the fact that he is a winning coach has nothing to do with my opinion.

    Paterno's only fault was that he didn't insist that the grad student go to the cops. Paterno was not a witness, he had no responsibility or right to go to the cops with a second hand story. OTOH, if the grad student had brought him a cellphone video of the incident, he should have gone to the cops with that
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