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  • He should stay, he wasn't involved.

    8 7.14%
  • He should stay, he did what his part by reporting it to somebody.

    59 52.68%
  • He should go, he didn't do enough.

    39 34.82%
  • He should go, he's ultimately responsible no matter what.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Paterno did not call the police to investigate! Shame on him ...Paterno only requested the asst not bring minors to the football complex.
    That wasn't Paterno, that was the AD and VP. Paterno "only" reported it to the AD.

    Anyone that knew of these shameful crimes and did not report is complicit.
    He did report. He didn't report to cops, which I think is wrong, but its a misrepresentation to say he didn't report.

    to do the only right and moral action and chose to cover it up and turn his head
    There's no evidence at all that Paterno was attempting to "cover it up". At worst, there's evidence that Paterno did not take the necessary interest to continue to check if actions were taken.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    I think he did the bare minimum of what he was obligated to do, but I don't think he should get fired over it. I don't think he was obligated to call the police, he was not a witness. Reporting to his superior is all he was obligated to do.

    Sure, if he was going to be a better person he should report it to the police...

    Also, the psychology of the situation is a little unfair. Sure in hindsight all of us would think the right thing to do is call the police, but when dealing with stuff like this people in general just try to assume the best of the situation and keep it on the down-low... especially if you don't expect it to come from someone you know; so he reported to his superior to investigate it more.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I think he did the bare minimum of what he was obligated to do, but I don't think he should get fired over it. I don't think he was obligated to call the police, he was not a witness. Reporting to his superior is all he was obligated to do.

    Sure, if he was going to be a better person he should report it to the police...

    Also, the psychology of the situation is a little unfair. Sure in hindsight all of us would think the right thing to do is call the police, but when dealing with stuff like this people in general just try to assume the best of the situation and keep it on the down-low... especially if you don't expect it to come from someone you know; so he reported to his superior to investigate it more.
    Legally? No. Morally? That's a whole 'nother story.

    And I'm not trying to make fun of you CW, but it's a bit funny to me that so many people are referring to the Athletic Director as Joe Paterno's boss. Nominally? sure. In reality? JoePa is the most powerful man on that campus.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Paterno is 85 freakin years old. he has been nothing more than a figurehead at Penn State for at least a decade. This incident happened in '02 when Paterno was 76. McQueary probably had to wake him up from his mornng nap to tell him about the incident. Paterno's partially senile brain leapt into action and did the one thing he could think of, he went and told his boss. He probably then went back to his office and fell back asleep and when someone woke him up at quitting time, he'd probably completely forgotten the whole thing.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Paterno is 85 freakin years old. he has been nothing more than a figurehead at Penn State for at least a decade. This incident happened in '02 when Paterno was 76. McQueary probably had to wake him up from his mornng nap to tell him about the incident. Paterno's partially senile brain leapt into action and did the one thing he could think of, he went and told his boss. He probably then went back to his office and fell back asleep and when someone woke him up at quitting time, he'd probably completely forgotten the whole thing.
    You're so age-ist! *shakes fist*
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You're so age-ist! *shakes fist*
    I remember when I was a grad student. One of the chem professors was so senile (result of years of exposure to mercury vapors) that the board would not allow him to teach classes any more, but they didn't want to risk a lawsuit by firing him. Therefore he was relegated to teaching the freshman chem labs along side us grad student TAs. One semester I taught the same schedule he did. 2-4 lab M-W-F and 6-10 lab T-T. I would have to go to his office and wake him up, lead him down to the lab and get him seated. When his last student finished they would turn off the light and close the door. When I finished, I would go turn on the light and yell at him from across the room (he tended to awaken rather violently and would flail about). once he was awake I would take him down to his office and then call his wife and tell her it was time for him to go home and she would come and pick him up.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I remember when I was a grad student. One of the chem professors was so senile (result of years of exposure to mercury vapors) that the board would not allow him to teach classes any more, but they didn't want to risk a lawsuit by firing him. Therefore he was relegated to teaching the freshman chem labs along side us grad student TAs. One semester I taught the same schedule he did. 2-4 lab M-W-F and 6-10 lab T-T. I would have to go to his office and wake him up, lead him down to the lab and get him seated. When his last student finished they would turn off the light and close the door. When I finished, I would go turn on the light and yell at him from across the room (he tended to awaken rather violently and would flail about). once he was awake I would take him down to his office and then call his wife and tell her it was time for him to go home and she would come and pick him up.
    That story strikes me as very funny and would make a great scene in a film.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    I realize that it is the American way to make "Papa Joe" the scapegoat.
    When things are finally done right, the ones who should be fired are the "authorities" that Paterno reports to.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    especially the grad student who actually witnessed the rape and did absolutely NOTHING to stop it. amazes me that so many people are OUTRAGED and want to crucify Paterno for "not doing enough" and yet those same people never even mention McQueary. I guess he isn't famous enough to warrant hatred.
    Good point! who the hell would not run in the shower and intervene and call police immediately!

    That just goes to show how the 'football is life" mindset overtakes some people. That said ... the grad student did go home to his father and report to his authorities immediately.

    Again, wth people ... this is a no brainer!

    I am an NP and if any person at the facility came to me and told me another professional who was above, below or along side me in the hierarchy was observed sodomizing a boy in the shower. There is no circumstance i would not report it to my superiors, the police and follow up on the violent rape of a child. Everyone knew Sandusky had a role "volunteering" to help youth and spent a great deal of time with boys. they just wanted it out of their complex. Sandusky has been free to have contact with minors, access tot eh complex and got away with violent child rape and they all knew It.

    This is not Monday morning quarterback ... this is a no brainer.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Good point! who the hell would not run in the shower and intervene and call police immediately!

    That just goes to show how the 'football is life" mindset overtakes some people. That said ... the grad student did go home to his father and alert his Paterno and others immediately.
    McQueary was 28 at the time. Sandusky was 58. surely McQueary could have stopped him from butt raping this young boy. but instead he just watched and then went home and told his daddy and then the next day told Paterno.

    another thing no one is mentioning. why the hell isn't anyone screaming for McQueary's father's blood? he knew about it before Paterno and he didn't call the cops either. but i guess he gets a pass because he isn't famous
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