View Poll Results: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

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  • He should stay, he wasn't involved.

    8 7.14%
  • He should stay, he did what his part by reporting it to somebody.

    59 52.68%
  • He should go, he didn't do enough.

    39 34.82%
  • He should go, he's ultimately responsible no matter what.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Now this I agree with. Joe Paterno made a mistake. A mistake that in retrospect was horrible. At the same time, trying to remove my emotions from it, you have a grad student telling you that one of your longest lasting friends and someone you've put a lot of trust in was doing something henious like this. You don't want to believe it because it just makes no sense to you but you do your duty to report it to your superiors. You don't see anything done and, since its a long time friend, you just assume...maybe blissfully ignorant in a way...that nothing came of it and its all okay.

    Taking the emotion out of "OMG 10 year old being anally raped, how did you not do anything, RARRR!" I can actually understand a situation where Paterno does what he did.

    That doesn't mean I think its right, doesn't mean I don't think he should've been fired, doesn't mean his actions didn't play a part in this. It just means I can understand HOW he could've done what he did without it being done in such a way that was purposefully callous towards Children or dirty caring only about football and protecting his schools good name.

    I do think Paterno is in general a good person. You don't last as many years as him with the sterling reputation of Penn State trying to instil a moral and upstanding character into the kids that came through there without it being somewhat true. I think the fact that, in hindsight, he realizes he SHOULD'VE done more is going to eat at him until the day he dies...and if he wasn't a good man I don't think that'd be the case.

    Sadly though, good men must suffer for their actions just like bad men do, and Joe's gotta take his lumps for this one.
    This is a reasonable poist, IMO.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He was required to notify his superior....He did that..........The only thing he might be guilty of is a lack of good judgment which is not a crime............
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He was required to notify his superior....He did that..........The only thing he might be guilty of is a lack of good judgment which is not a crime............
    The law does not give a **** what he does within the organization. Note that Penn State is not a law unto itself. You did not read the linked article did you?
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    I'm thinking we need to wait until all the information has been gathered before making any definitive statements. I'm betting that this gets really ugly and that nobody is going to end up trying to defend anyone involved.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Now this I agree with. Joe Paterno made a mistake. A mistake that in retrospect was horrible. At the same time, trying to remove my emotions from it, you have a grad student telling you that one of your longest lasting friends and someone you've put a lot of trust in was doing something henious like this. You don't want to believe it because it just makes no sense to you but you do your duty to report it to your superiors. You don't see anything done and, since its a long time friend, you just assume...maybe blissfully ignorant in a way...that nothing came of it and its all okay.

    Taking the emotion out of "OMG 10 year old being anally raped, how did you not do anything, RARRR!" I can actually understand a situation where Paterno does what he did.

    That doesn't mean I think its right, doesn't mean I don't think he should've been fired, doesn't mean his actions didn't play a part in this. It just means I can understand HOW he could've done what he did without it being done in such a way that was purposefully callous towards Children or dirty caring only about football and protecting his schools good name.

    I do think Paterno is in general a good person. You don't last as many years as him with the sterling reputation of Penn State trying to instil a moral and upstanding character into the kids that came through there without it being somewhat true. I think the fact that, in hindsight, he realizes he SHOULD'VE done more is going to eat at him until the day he dies...and if he wasn't a good man I don't think that'd be the case.

    Sadly though, good men must suffer for their actions just like bad men do, and Joe's gotta take his lumps for this one.
    I am at a loss as to how you take the emotion out of a 10 year old being molested. I hope I never reach a day where I do not react emotionally to that.

    The thing about morality is it is not always easy. Sometimes it can be downright hard. But I don't think you can do the bare minimum in something like this and still be considered moral or a good man.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The law does not give a **** what he does within the organization. Note that Penn State is not a law unto itself. You did not read the linked article did you?
    I was born and raised in Western Pa. (Altoona) ......When I was a kid (1953) my dad had season ticket to the PS games.............Jopa was and asst coach then....He was a head coach for 46 years........Arguely the great coach in history...........There is not a coach in this country who cared more about the kids at PSU.........His kids graduate...............He has contributed millions to the university and charities.........He broke no law.......If he did he would be arrested and charged............All this has to be worth something..............

    People are forgetting that the real guilty person here is Sandusky................
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I was born and raised in Western Pa. (Altoona) ......When I was a kid (1953) my dad had season ticket to the PS games.............Jopa was and asst coach then....He was a head coach for 46 years........Arguely the great coach in history...........There is not a coach in this country who cared more about the kids at PSU.........His kids graduate...............He has contributed millions to the university and charities.........He broke no law.......If he did he would be arrested and charged............All this has to be worth something..............
    He is being considered for three possible criminal charges Navy. That was why I linked the article on it.

    I do not give a **** how much he cared for his athletes. I care that he did not care enough for the health and wellbeing of children.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I was born and raised in Western Pa. (Altoona) ......When I was a kid (1953) my dad had season ticket to the PS games.............Jopa was and asst coach then....He was a head coach for 46 years........Arguely the great coach in history...........There is not a coach in this country who cared more about the kids at PSU.........His kids graduate...............He has contributed millions to the university and charities.........He broke no law.......If he did he would be arrested and charged............All this has to be worth something..............
    Again, perhaps we should wait until the investigation is over. Even if not charged I'm betting he is a part of the massive lawsuit that will be filed. Fortunately for Sandusky he will have already be 6 feet under from where he hung himself.

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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Again, perhaps we should wait until the investigation is over. Even if not charged I'm betting he is a part of the massive lawsuit that will be filed. Fortunately for Sandusky he will have already be 6 feet under from where he hung himself.
    Oh, he will be part of a number of lawsuits, and it will be rough winning a jury over for him.
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    Re: Should Joe Paterno stay or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am at a loss as to how you take the emotion out of a 10 year old being molested. I hope I never reach a day where I do not react emotionally to that.
    Call it a weird thing for me. I'm able to detach myself from things at times. Sometime that's bad...it took me like 3 weeks for it finally to "hit" me that my grandmother died...sometimes its handy, like attempting to objectively view a situation. Its not so much taking the emotion away, but more making ones self look at it within the veil of that emotion clouding it.

    The thing about morality is it is not always easy. Sometimes it can be downright hard. But I don't think you can do the bare minimum in something like this and still be considered moral or a good man.
    I'm one that doesn't think one act makes a man moral or immoral, good or bad, even if its a huge act like this. I also don't generally think acts stand alone. I definitely condemn his act, but without knowing fully all the circumstances around it and his thoughts I can think of a lot of ways that it becomes slightly more understandable. For example, what if some significant underling came out and told you they just saw one of your closest friends screwing a kid, something that just goes against everythig you know about the person...are you honestly going to act in the exact same way as if it was said to you about just some random co-worker? Have you never once heard something about a friend or a loved one that you so badly didn't want to believe that you were far more skeptical or dismissing of it then you would've been from just an aquaintence.

    No way am I saying its right. I'm saying that one act alone without all the information and given his whole history to me doesn't make an "immoral man" in this case. It makes a man who made a greviously bad mistake who acted unethically with horrendous judgement on this issue.

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