Thoroughly sick of all things Occupy? OWS?

Tigger said:

As I said before, I'm a Traditionalist, a nationalist, an isolationist, and an ultra-Conservative. I believe in the concept of Law and Order above pretty much everything else. I envision the ideal of Revolution not to bring society forward, but to take it BACKWARDS. I am by no means a "Renaissance Man" by any definition of the phrase. I am an Anachronism... a person born out of the time period that he belonged in, which ended for the most part by the middle of the 19th Century and was gone completely by the end of the 1950's. As someone with an interest in history, philosophy, and spirituality I find "people watching" to be an incredibly useful task, whether it is in person or in this sort of medium.



I have no issue with inter-racial relationships if that's what people choose to engage in.

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U need one of theze:

I guess y'all are so sick of all things OWS, you'll fill this thread with pointless banter, eh?


So it goes.

Mycroft said:

I guess y'all are so sick of all things OWS, you'll fill this thread with pointless banter, eh?


So it goes.

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I think I have shown via the google trends, that indeed folks tire or at least are not as interested in the #ows protests of dubious causes. lol

I honestly have the feeling people are getting involved just because they think it would be fun? Among other reasons. The OWS protests are an unorganized bunch of rabble who have no clear message and are mostly supporting anarchy and little else. Lets tear up our own neighborhoods and stop commerce! That will show them, lol. They are not in any way representative of the 99%, more like the wacko fringe 10%.

Blackdog said:

I honestly have the feeling people are getting involved just because they think it would be fun? Among other reasons. The OWS protests are an unorganized bunch of rabble who have no clear message and are mostly supporting anarchy and little else. Lets tear up our own neighborhoods and stop commerce! That will show them, lol. They are not in any way representative of the 99%, more like the wacko fringe 10%.

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I've been to zucotti, I was also at the millenium phish concert (don't ask), I see little difference between the two in terms of hygene, or sobriety.

It would seem to me that the Occupiers are even sick of OWS. I went down to the Worcester Common in Worcester, MA last night, to see what their "General Assembly" looked like. At 6:00 they had MAYBE a dozen people there, and my guess is it that an accurate count would have been more like nine. At 6:10 they still hadn't even started their GA. I don't know about anyone else, but in the business' I deal with, if you're on time you're late. If you're late, you don't exist. I left the amorphous group about 6:15, when they still hadn't even bothered to get themselves organized enough to be showing any signs of coherency or getting anything accomplished. I might go back down on Sunday and see how their demonstration/walk goes. Hopefully they get run over.

If I could know exactly WHAT the OWS is, WHAT principles they believe, WHAT changes they would see happen, WHO is their leader, etc, etc...

...then I'd be better able to make a judgment on who these people are.

ALSO, it'd be GREAT if the OWS people would police themselves better. What happens when people start getting hurt?

Tigger said:

It would seem to me that the Occupiers are even sick of OWS. I went down to the Worcester Common in Worcester, MA last night, to see what their "General Assembly" looked like. At 6:00 they had MAYBE a dozen people there, and my guess is it that an accurate count would have been more like nine. At 6:10 they still hadn't even started their GA. I don't know about anyone else, but in the business' I deal with, if you're on time you're late. If you're late, you don't exist. I left the amorphous group about 6:15, when they still hadn't even bothered to get themselves organized enough to be showing any signs of coherency or getting anything accomplished. I might go back down on Sunday and see how their demonstration/walk goes. Hopefully they get run over.

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Was it that hard to distinguish between 9 and 12? hmmm.... Anyway, Zucotti park has been dwindling from it's height of 700 to less then 200 I would surmise today.

Wake said:

If I could know exactly WHAT the OWS is, WHAT principles they believe, WHAT changes they would see happen, WHO is their leader, etc, etc...

...then I'd be better able to make a judgment on who these people are.

ALSO, it'd be GREAT if the OWS people would police themselves better. What happens when people start getting hurt?

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Allegations of rape, robbery and assault already. People are already getting hurt.

ReverendHellh0und said:

Was it that hard to distinguish between 9 and 12? hmmm.... Anyway, Zucotti park has been dwindling from it's height of 700 to less then 200 I would surmise today.

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There were a number of people who would walk over to the group and then wander away. Honestly they seemed more like "scouts" trying to spot a possible police incursion before it arrived than anything else. There was also at least one reporter and another individual who I'm not sure was there for anything more than to view the rabble, do determining their real number was a little difficult.

If it's dwindling (thank Goodness), then maybe it's time for the Jackbooted Thugs to end it once and for all with a little Protester-Head Baseball.

Blackdog said:

Allegations of rape, robbery and assault already. People are already getting hurt.

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Allegations does not mean "are." I have seen assaults, though the allegations of robbery and rape are not proved. Though, video and picture evidence goes an incredibly long way in proving this. I have seen windows broken, people pushed, and other forms of recklessness from the OWS.

Blackdog said:

I honestly have the feeling people are getting involved just because they think it would be fun? Among other reasons. The OWS protests are an unorganized bunch of rabble who have no clear message and are mostly supporting anarchy and little else. Lets tear up our own neighborhoods and stop commerce! That will show them, lol. They are not in any way representative of the 99%, more like the wacko fringe 10%.

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And that is where you are wrong.

The majority of people who, at least of the ones getting arrested, are not from that city, and most of the time not from the state in which they are protesting.

DaveFagan said:

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I think the above link relates well to all things OWS and what it is that they are protesting. It was authored by Citigroup and although it takes a while to read, it does expose some simple truths that Wall Street doesn't desire to talk about. Tired of all things OWS? Hopefully, it is the tip of the iceberg.

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Wow! Surprised to see this authored by Citigroup (from your link):

"In a plutonomy there is no such animal as “the U.S. consumer” or “the UK
consumer”, or indeed the “Russian consumer”. There are rich consumers, few in
number, but disproportionate in the gigantic slice of income and consumption they take.
There are the rest, the “non-rich”, the multitudinous many, but only accounting for
surprisingly small bites of the national pie. Consensus analyses that do not tease out the
profound impact of the plutonomy on spending power, debt loads, savings rates (and
hence current account deficits), oil price impacts etc, i.e., focus on the “average”
consumer are flawed from the start. It is easy to drown in a lake with an average depth
of 4 feet, if one steps into its deeper extremes.

Since consumption accounts for 65% of
the world economy, and consumer staples and discretionary sectors for 19.8% of the
MSCI AC World Index, understanding how the plutonomy impacts consumption is key
for equity market participants."

Some people do not seem to get the link between wealth disparity and our poor economy. This is one of the main points being made by the OWS protesters.

Wake said:

Allegations does not mean "are." I have seen assaults, though the allegations of robbery and rape are not proved. Though, video and picture evidence goes an incredibly long way in proving this. I have seen windows broken, people pushed, and other forms of recklessness from the OWS.

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Give me a break, the violence has already started and that was my point. Allegations vs are is really irrelevant to my statement.

Caine said:

And that is where you are wrong.

The majority of people who, at least of the ones getting arrested, are not from that city, and most of the time not from the state in which they are protesting.

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I have not seen any evidence to back up that they are loads of people coming in from everyplace else.

Again this has little to do with the point I was making.

Blackdog said:

I have not seen any evidence to back up that they are loads of people coming in from everyplace else.

Again this has little to do with the point I was making.

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I was actually agreeing with you about the "fun" part.

Except these people from my experience aren't tearing up "their own" community, they are doing it to someone elses.

Blackdog said:

Give me a break, the violence has already started and that was my point. Allegations vs are is really irrelevant to my statement.

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To be honest, I've seen some violence but I haven't put much time into observing the OWS. I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying I haven't seen what you've seen.

The rape allegation is pretty serious and I'd like to see some resolution on that case.

Wake said:

To be honest, I've seen some violence but I haven't put much time into observing the OWS. I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying I haven't seen what you've seen.

The rape allegation is pretty serious and I'd like to see some resolution on that case.

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They weren't all rape charges, but fondling etc. It sounds like in that one section in NJ, it was getting pretty bad.

Catawba said:

Wow! Surprised to see this authored by Citigroup (from your link):

"In a plutonomy there is no such animal as “the U.S. consumer” or “the UK
consumer”, or indeed the “Russian consumer”. There are rich consumers, few in
number, but disproportionate in the gigantic slice of income and consumption they take.
There are the rest, the “non-rich”, the multitudinous many, but only accounting for
surprisingly small bites of the national pie. Consensus analyses that do not tease out the
profound impact of the plutonomy on spending power, debt loads, savings rates (and
hence current account deficits), oil price impacts etc, i.e., focus on the “average”
consumer are flawed from the start. It is easy to drown in a lake with an average depth
of 4 feet, if one steps into its deeper extremes.

Since consumption accounts for 65% of
the world economy, and consumer staples and discretionary sectors for 19.8% of the
MSCI AC World Index, understanding how the plutonomy impacts consumption is key
for equity market participants."

Some people do not seem to get the link between wealth disparity and our poor economy. This is one of the main points being made by the OWS protesters.

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Yes and it was Citigroup that coined the term "plutonomy" to spedifically identify our current financial state of affairs. It's hard to get people to understand the implications and realities that are in play. The worst part of the story is that our government saved these "mothers" with the bailout. Time to pull the plug.

Caine said:

And that is where you are wrong.

The majority of people who, at least of the ones getting arrested, are not from that city, and most of the time not from the state in which they are protesting.

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Where do you get this fantabulous inside information.:lamo

I am sick of these dirt balls in every city. There have been 2900 arrests since it started, a shooting at Occupy Oakland last night, various rapes, drug dealing, thefts, and twice they have vandalized the 9/11 memorial. They are mostly spoiled rich kids who have been handed everything their entire life and now that they are grown up and must support themselves, they cant afford the same lifestyle that there parents provided them, so they feel entitled to a "fair share" of the riches money. I am a 28 year old sales director for a transportation company. I am not rich but I do well for my age. I dont expect to be given anything from anyone and dont want anything unless I work hard to get it. I went to county college for 2yrs to cut down in cost of college and then went to a cheap state college for the other 2. I worked to pay my way and started power washing homes or cutting lawns to make extra money. After college I worked a lot of low paying sales jobs but slowly worked my way up. These protestors just want a high paying job immediatly with no experience and dont want to work their way up. My wife works with autistic kids and only makes 36k a year. She does home therepy every chance to gets to earn extra money and is getting her masters online at night. She spends every weekend in the library studying for the entire day. Shes lucky if she has 4hrs a week to relax. She does it because she believes in hard work and how it will all pay off. She doesnt expect it to pay off today, but she knows that in time it will. I bet you that not a single one of these protestors has the work ethic to work half as hard as she does. I'm embarrased to be part of the same generation as the OCWS protestors. In past generations people worked there way up, never complained about it. What happened to that?

A shooting in Oakland? Just one? Don't make stupid comments, some of those crimes cannot be linked to OWS. You just have a negative opinion of them and are willing to make up anything in order to make your peace.

Whatever happened to people working their way up? Corporate Capitalism, which we have adopted, has choked off economic mobility. It's not what it once was and hardwork alone is not rewarded as it once was.

Ikari said:

A shooting in Oakland? Just one? Don't make stupid comments, some of those crimes cannot be linked to OWS. You just have a negative opinion of them and are willing to make up anything in order to make your peace.

Whatever happened to people working their way up? Corporate Capitalism, which we have adopted, has choked off economic mobility. It's not what it once was and hardwork alone is not rewarded as it once was.

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Too bad the cameraman wasn't as lucky.


Occupy Oakland Protestors Attack KGO Cameraman For Shooting Video of Murder Scene - TVSpy

ReverendHellh0und said:

Too bad the cameraman wasn't as lucky.


Occupy Oakland Protestors Attack KGO Cameraman For Shooting Video of Murder Scene - TVSpy

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Bunch of thugs is all they are.