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Thoroughly sick of all things Occupy? OWS?

Are you tired of all things OWS?

  • No! We need 24/7 coverage until the Movement succeeds!

    Votes: 15 21.7%
  • Anti-OWS, but I like arguing about it.

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • Pro-OWS, but I'm getting tired of arguing about it.

    Votes: 9 13.0%
  • Anti-OWS, sick of hearing about it.

    Votes: 22 31.9%
  • Not taking sides, just plain sick of it all.

    Votes: 9 13.0%
  • Other/Rootebega

    Votes: 8 11.6%

  • Total voters
    69
  • Poll closed .
I'm neither anti nor pro OWS, just as I was neither anti nor pro Tea Party. I am sick of both, however. The Tea Party isn't on the news 24/7 shoving signs at my screen any more, so out of sight, out of mind... thankfully. Everyone has the right to protest and make their voices heard. However, that doesn't give people the right to shut down large hunks of cities across the nation for weeks and weeks on end. It's like Woodstock sneezed, sending infected droplets of itself across the nation, then turned off the music and went home.

Enough, already.
 
Annoy the hell out of Burger King employees and customers?



Looks like the disenchanted 99% want to make sure that any part of that 99% that has a job, loses it. :D What a gaggle of gigantic asses.
 
I support them at heart, but I disagree with most of their message. Even though this is not an official demand list, many of their demands are outright absurd. In addition, the movement is not cohesive and they are not making any headway influencing Washington. It is more of a motley crew bitching and moaning, than a valid movement.
Forum Post: Proposed list of OWS Demands | OccupyWallSt.org

I agree that we have a problem with rampant cronyism and incestuous behavior between Wall St and Washington. I believe that there is too much white collar crime happening on Wall St. and it needs to stop. I believe that some of these big financial firms need to be broken up, investigated, and possibly throwing people in jail for crashing the global economy due to myopic greed.
 
Those in charge of the Occupy Wall Street Journal say this....

It seems like the original movement had some positive elements but has been somewhat hijacked by clowns, not unlike the Tea Party.
 
It seems like the original movement had some positive elements but has been somewhat hijacked by clowns, not unlike the Tea Party.

That guy is part of the original movement.....
 
It should be re-named to the "The annoy all streets movement."
 
Are you thoroughly sick of all things to do with Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Whatever? Pro and anti? Tired of hearing about it, tired of arguing about it, tired of the overhyped mega-partisanship?

I'm tired of hearing about it and don't want to debate it anymore. Everyone has their entrenched position and just spews venom at the other side. It's pointless.

What say you? Tired of hearing about it yet?

I'm not tired of hearing about, although I don't want to hear about it 24/7.

I'm going to be honest here. The OWS movement really reminds me of the Green Revolution in Iran. Now, in regards to that, I don't mean the political oppression - rather, I mean the obstacles that the populace face.

During the Green Revolution, I was listening to NPR and they were covering it quite a bit. What I got from that coverage was that the reasons why the Iranians were protesting was because of the following reasons:

1) about 50% of the Iranian population is under the age of 25
2) those 20-somethings are mostly college or university educated
3) they can't get jobs that pay to the level of their education

So the issues that caused unrest in Iran is causing unrest here in the U.S., and with good reason.

But I don't see either movement as political - rather, I see them as societal.

By that, I mean that I don't think most of the Iranians necessarily mind living under an authoritarian religious-based government so long as the government is able to provide the Iranian populace with jobs that provide them with good pay. Likewise, I don't think OWS really mind Wall Street and the big financial firms so long as they provide the U.S. populace with jobs that provide them with good pay.

These are some serious social issues and they need to be addressed and resolved. If they aren't addressed, then the things that cause such societal unrest don't go away - they remain until they are resolved.

Also, yesterday on NPR I heard something quite interesting. Someone who worked for a Wall Street firm decided to put on his blue business suit and go down to the OWS camp. He went to the Anarchist Information Center there and he talked to the people there. He said he was able to educate them on Wall Street and they were able to educate him on anarchy.

Another thing he did was he talked to his non-Wall Street friends and asked them how important the financial firms were to the U.S. economy. They said about 20%. He then asked his Wall Street friends how important the firms were to the economy. They said about 80%. So he pointed out the huge difference in the perceived value of these financial firms.

So this got me thinking that a really good idea to do would be to get the CEOs of these Wall Street firms and the leading advocates of the Occupy Wall Street movement and put them in a room together and get them to talk to each other. Maybe if both sides were able to talk and communicate directly face-to-face both sides would become sympathetic with each other and both sides can start working together to resolve the issues troubling them both rather than clash with each other.

After all, a number of corporations are becoming more socially aware and active. I know that one of these is Starbucks. The Starbucks Corporation is getting involved in improving education here in the U.S. They also set up a micro-loan program for farmers in Africa. So some of these big businesses are doing very important social work.

That is something I'd like to see much more of. Maybe by getting both sides to talk to each other, discuss these issues, and come up with methods of attaining solutions, we can resolve these problems that's causing social unrest.
 
That guy is part of the original movement.....
I was referring more to the select few that actually want fiscal responsibility in either movement, as opposed to the social and political activists that are the most vocal/obnoxious.
 
I'm not tired of hearing about, although I don't want to hear about it 24/7.

I'm going to be honest here. The OWS movement really reminds me of the Green Revolution in Iran. Now, in regards to that, I don't mean the political oppression - rather, I mean the obstacles that the populace face.

During the Green Revolution, I was listening to NPR and they were covering it quite a bit. What I got from that coverage was that the reasons why the Iranians were protesting was because of the following reasons:

1) about 50% of the Iranian population is under the age of 25
2) those 20-somethings are mostly college or university educated
3) they can't get jobs that pay to the level of their education

So the issues that caused unrest in Iran is causing unrest here in the U.S., and with good reason.

But I don't see either movement as political - rather, I see them as societal.

By that, I mean that I don't think most of the Iranians necessarily mind living under an authoritarian religious-based government so long as the government is able to provide the Iranian populace with jobs that provide them with good pay. Likewise, I don't think OWS really mind Wall Street and the big financial firms so long as they provide the U.S. populace with jobs that provide them with good pay.

These are some serious social issues and they need to be addressed and resolved. If they aren't addressed, then the things that cause such societal unrest don't go away - they remain until they are resolved.

Also, yesterday on NPR I heard something quite interesting. Someone who worked for a Wall Street firm decided to put on his blue business suit and go down to the OWS camp. He went to the Anarchist Information Center there and he talked to the people there. He said he was able to educate them on Wall Street and they were able to educate him on anarchy.

Another thing he did was he talked to his non-Wall Street friends and asked them how important the financial firms were to the U.S. economy. They said about 20%. He then asked his Wall Street friends how important the firms were to the economy. They said about 80%. So he pointed out the huge difference in the perceived value of these financial firms.

So this got me thinking that a really good idea to do would be to get the CEOs of these Wall Street firms and the leading advocates of the Occupy Wall Street movement and put them in a room together and get them to talk to each other. Maybe if both sides were able to talk and communicate directly face-to-face both sides would become sympathetic with each other and both sides can start working together to resolve the issues troubling them both rather than clash with each other.

After all, a number of corporations are becoming more socially aware and active. I know that one of these is Starbucks. The Starbucks Corporation is getting involved in improving education here in the U.S. They also set up a micro-loan program for farmers in Africa. So some of these big businesses are doing very important social work.

That is something I'd like to see much more of. Maybe by getting both sides to talk to each other, discuss these issues, and come up with methods of attaining solutions, we can resolve these problems that's causing social unrest.


Very interesting perspective, Sam. I wonder if it could be managed somehow, without the excessive drama so beloved of the media and certain other sorts. Someone with suitable connections ought to have a go at that.
 
But you see, that is just lowering the level of discourse just to do it. When people where accusing the Tea party of stupid things and calling them names, I defended the Tea Party. Those who where backing me and thanking my posts then are now the ones attacking OWS for the same crap. When you use the "well Johnny did it so I should to" excuse, instead of arguing what is right no matter what, you are part of the reason political discussion in this country is so vile at times.

Intersting what we notice, isn't it? You notice that the same people who liked your posts when you defended the TEA now criticizing OWS. I notice the same people that accused the TEA party of engaging in "violent rhetoric" and being potentially violent give OWS a complete pass. Really, though, what is OWS being accused of that isn't true? Are you telling me there is nothing OWS has engaged in that cannot be legitimately criticized?
 
That guy is part of the original movement.....
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That guy is a ****ing nutball.

I couldn't listen past 1:17... I think I threw up in my mouth just a little.
 
I support the movement. Am part of the movement.
 
I just ignore them for the most part. I run by their camp a few times a week here in KC, but for the most part they are pretty easy to just ignore. After all, its not like they are going to town halls and screaming down congressman and any legitimate questioners. ;)
 
It was fun for awhile pointing out the hypocrisy of the Tea Partiers attacking OWS in the same way they bitched about being attacked(some tea partiers, not all).

You should join me in laughing and pointing out the hypocrisy from both sides rather than just enjoying pointing at the Tea Partiers. Suddenly those that KNOW the tea party is racist because some jackass held up a sign wants to complain that people suggest OWS is anti-semetic because some jackass held up a sign about a jewish conspiracy. Suddenly those that mock anyone who declares the Tea Parties focus is on social issues because some of their members are social conservatives gets pissy when someone suggest OWS is about getting more handouts from the government because of signs and interviews coming out from people demanding handouts.

The whole things just one giant whirlwind of hypocrisy with plenty to point and laugh about on all sides.

Frankly I'm tired of the media coverage from both the liberal and conservative slanted media, they're both getting ridiculously stupid and are actually becoming even a parody as both sides are blazing the coverage so quickly whether then the long extended nature of it with the tea party. If coverage, pro and con, for that was an even 45 MPH for a year or so now, OWS coverage is going about 125 MPH.

I'm definitely sick of it all.
 
Intersting what we notice, isn't it? You notice that the same people who liked your posts when you defended the TEA now criticizing OWS. I notice the same people that accused the TEA party of engaging in "violent rhetoric" and being potentially violent give OWS a complete pass. Really, though, what is OWS being accused of that isn't true? Are you telling me there is nothing OWS has engaged in that cannot be legitimately criticized?

That is a good job missing the point. You and they are both willing to look the other way when it's your people being idiots, and criticize when it is others. Very few of us are consistent across the board, and don't base our opinions on right and wrong based on who does it.
 
You should join me in laughing and pointing out the hypocrisy from both sides rather than just enjoying pointing at the Tea Partiers. Suddenly those that KNOW the tea party is racist because some jackass held up a sign wants to complain that people suggest OWS is anti-semetic because some jackass held up a sign about a jewish conspiracy. Suddenly those that mock anyone who declares the Tea Parties focus is on social issues because some of their members are social conservatives gets pissy when someone suggest OWS is about getting more handouts from the government because of signs and interviews coming out from people demanding handouts.

The whole things just one giant whirlwind of hypocrisy with plenty to point and laugh about on all sides.

Frankly I'm tired of the media coverage from both the liberal and conservative slanted media, they're both getting ridiculously stupid and are actually becoming even a parody as both sides are blazing the coverage so quickly whether then the long extended nature of it with the tea party. If coverage, pro and con, for that was an even 45 MPH for a year or so now, OWS coverage is going about 125 MPH.

I'm definitely sick of it all.

I was right there defending the Tea Party when the idiots where making stupid charges. You know that. What the **** more do you want?
 
It seems like the original movement had some positive elements but has been somewhat hijacked by clowns, not unlike the Tea Party.

Wrong.

The useful idiots don't know what this is all about.

Brandt...and his ilk...are the ones calling the shots and...you hear it right out of his mouth...their aim is the destruction of capitalism.


Nothing has been co-opted. This IS what it's all about.
 
No way am I sick of them ... although I am involved with my professional life and family and that is my method to affect change ... I completely applaud the people who are standing up to make a statement about the ever widening gap and shrinking middle class. Love the Calvin and Hobbes political commmentary ...

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Yes ... I give a thumbs up to people who are using their freedom of speech for a worthy effort ... all them from all walks of life representing no political party as We the People.
 
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I support them at heart, but I disagree with most of their message. Even though this is not an official demand list, many of their demands are outright absurd. In addition, the movement is not cohesive and they are not making any headway influencing Washington. It is more of a motley crew bitching and moaning, than a valid movement.
Forum Post: Proposed list of OWS Demands | OccupyWallSt.org

I agree that we have a problem with rampant cronyism and incestuous behavior between Wall St and Washington. I believe that there is too much white collar crime happening on Wall St. and it needs to stop. I believe that some of these big financial firms need to be broken up, investigated, and possibly throwing people in jail for crashing the global economy due to myopic greed.

Re proposed list of demands.

I can not believe that is actually real. Well at least hope it is not because that crap is just not going to fly here.

Interesting reply to the demands:

"Who wrote this ridiculous thing? Who speaks for this movement? Are you just trying to discredit this movement immediately? Ban the private ownership of land? Are you effing kidding me? You make the rest of us a laughing stock by putting out college acid trip delusions as something serious. STOP IT NOW. We need intelligent, thoughtful, serious people coming forward to make real change possible. This is doing nothing but playing into the hands of Fox News. We have ONE CHANCE to organize effectively to end the corporate coup and take democratic power back for people. I seriously think this could have been written by a Fox News Koch brother operative just to make us look insane."



I guess that really does make some sense, but have to admit that like most I am unaware of what the group is really about besides addressing the ever increasing corporate profits on the backs of US workers and taxpayers.

Sure I have seen all the media on the protests, and even some of the ":talking heads" that claim they want socialism or communism in to prevail etc, but how to know what the real deal is, and which are just random people exploiting the opportunity etc.

I think almost anyone who has not directly benefited from the direction our country has taken for the last 30 or more years will admit things are a total mess, and the way too close relationships between our largest corporations and wealthiest Americans (and apparently foreigners too) and the various legislative branches of government is the real problem.


Though obvious as how these relationships have become and how money and greed now direct our law makers and the laws that have changed in favor or big business and growing government etc I really do not think Americans in general are ready for a complete switch over to a complete entitlement society.

So maybe if the movement could release itself of all the soap box hero's and agenda driven loons and stick what most think was the original idea of breaking the bond between big business and big government this whole thing might have a whole lot more success.

As long as people like Jed Brant preach socialism while acting as if they are leading this group I believe most people will discredit the entire movement and look at it as little more than nightly entertainment on the evening news.


Maybe an appropriate thread would be "just what are these people trying to do".

If it has anything to do with the list from the above link then this is really a waste of time.
 
Other, I am throughly sick of the class warfare against the middle class for the last 30 years and extremely proud of our young people standing up against it!
 
I was right there defending the Tea Party when the idiots where making stupid charges. You know that. What the **** more do you want?

Not saying I want more. Just saying if you're enjoying calling out the idiot hypocrites on the right join in with me doing it to those on the left as well. Double the fun, double the entertainment ;) There's plenty of ridiculous hypocrisy to go around, why limit yourself to just one serving
 
Im sick of it from both sides...but we have no other alternatives so all of you had better learn to live with it and FIX IT.
Lets all be honest here ok for once. The teaparty isnt all wrong and OWS isnt all wrong. The truth and the "FIX" is always in the middle.
The real problem as I see it is this ridiculous teaparty Pledge written in titanium that they will not vote to raise taxs in any form for any reason. With that pledge it has taken all reason and all chance for compromise out of the equasion and we all see what we have a stonewalling do nothing congress...that WE are all sick of...
 
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