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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    I think Congressional EXPENSES should be cut. At least in half. At present by their own figures, it costs over 2 million per year per congressman to keep them in office. Cutting this by half would be a start, both in reducing government cost, and establishing the seriousness of Congress to tackle the budget problem.

    In today's world, there is no real reason why congress needs to fly in on Monday and fly out on Friday. A simple laptop and a stay at home congressman could accomplish the same thing. There are other perks to this system. Citizens would have easier access to their representatives, and lobbyists and special interest groups access would be more difficult.

    To the original post, I would include pension expenses in congressional expenses.

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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I think Congressional EXPENSES should be cut. At least in half. At present by their own figures, it costs over 2 million per year per congressman to keep them in office. Cutting this by half would be a start, both in reducing government cost, and establishing the seriousness of Congress to tackle the budget problem.

    In today's world, there is no real reason why congress needs to fly in on Monday and fly out on Friday. A simple laptop and a stay at home congressman could accomplish the same thing. There are other perks to this system. Citizens would have easier access to their representatives, and lobbyists and special interest groups access would be more difficult.

    To the original post, I would include pension expenses in congressional expenses.
    I tend to agree with this. I'd even take it a bit further.

    1. Sessions would be shortened. Three, maybe four months, max. Split into two equal time frames twice a year. The rest they do in their home districts via computer. They should be spending time in their home districts anyway. They are "citizen legislators", aren't they?

    2. Relating to #1, they get FOUR plane tickets (Coach) per year. Two to Washington, two home. Obviously, for the start and end of each session. Any extra trips are out of their own pockets.

    As far as having constituents decide pay and benefits? That's one of those things that looks good on paper, but would be way too unwieldy to be practical. Plus, if we can get them back to being more like citizen legislators again, they should get some kind of stability.

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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    I want to pay them at least twice much as I was paid in my high level positions; also, a decent pension of some type. However, I want their income from other sources limited. Itís not what the government pays them that is the issue, itís things like K street that disturb me. Right now we are watching misleading ads paid for by a bridge owner supporting state congress men that were able to prevent democratic action on a second bridge, supported by a Republican Governor. The money that congressmen can get (directly and indirectly) from private firms causes more problems that their pay and pensions. If we reduce their pay where do you think their money will come from?

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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I tend to agree with this. I'd even take it a bit further.

    1. Sessions would be shortened. Three, maybe four months, max. Split into two equal time frames twice a year. The rest they do in their home districts via computer. They should be spending time in their home districts anyway. They are "citizen legislators", aren't they?

    2. Relating to #1, they get FOUR plane tickets (Coach) per year. Two to Washington, two home. Obviously, for the start and end of each session. Any extra trips are out of their own pockets.

    As far as having constituents decide pay and benefits? That's one of those things that looks good on paper, but would be way too unwieldy to be practical. Plus, if we can get them back to being more like citizen legislators again, they should get some kind of stability.
    I don't think my post addressed the issue of who pays for flight, but I am not aware of the 4 ticket rule. No saying you're wrong, just that I don't know. I would be interested in knowing where that rule is found.

    I don't see how the constituents deciding pay and benefits would be that complicated. I'll propose the following legislation:

    "Each congressman shall be given the sum of $750,000 (or some other figure) to use as they see fit to conduct congressional business. All expenses, including salaries, pensions, office expenses, travel, and any other expenses shall be paid from that fund."

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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I don't think my post addressed the issue of who pays for flight, but I am not aware of the 4 ticket rule. No saying you're wrong, just that I don't know. I would be interested in knowing where that rule is found.

    I don't see how the constituents deciding pay and benefits would be that complicated. I'll propose the following legislation:

    "Each congressman shall be given the sum of $750,000 (or some other figure) to use as they see fit to conduct congressional business. All expenses, including salaries, pensions, office expenses, travel, and any other expenses shall be paid from that fund."
    The four ticket rule is my idea of how it should be. It's not actually a rule now.

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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The four ticket rule is my idea of how it should be. It's not actually a rule now.
    Thanks for the clarification, I misunderstood, but I agree.

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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    I believe they should get.Politics is a public service job. They shouldn't get hefty retirements, benefits and other ****.


    Chris Cuomo's Give Me A Break: Congressional Perks - ABC News
    They should get a pension and be barred from private or lobbying work for 10 years to avoid any conflicts of interest.

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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    They should get a pension and be barred from private or lobbying work for 10 years to avoid any conflicts of interest.
    The problem for me is not as much what they do after they get out, many of them get out only after death. The problem is what they do during their term(S). Congress and the President spend as much time campaigning as they do legislating. Income from their position should be limited only to the income provided by the position. It is the massive amounts given by special interest groups, legally or illegally, that is worrisome.

    This will not change until congress and the administration cease to be judge and jury of themselves. We have more than one tax cheat in congress that still holds their job, and some of them have been convicted. Same with misuse of funds. Where is the outcry. Martha Stewart went to jail for lying while not under oath to an FBI agent. At around the same time, Clinton kept his job after lying to the public. Something needs to be done.

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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I don't think my post addressed the issue of who pays for flight, but I am not aware of the 4 ticket rule. No saying you're wrong, just that I don't know. I would be interested in knowing where that rule is found.

    I don't see how the constituents deciding pay and benefits would be that complicated. I'll propose the following legislation:

    "Each congressman shall be given the sum of $750,000 (or some other figure) to use as they see fit to conduct congressional business. All expenses, including salaries, pensions, office expenses, travel, and any other expenses shall be paid from that fund."
    Yes! And when they run out of money they could easily find some additional funding from say the coal, pipeline, automotive, steel, airline, etc. people. They are so nice and interested in our welfare. Maybe we could have them just pay them from the beginning. Oh, thatís right, we do that now.

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    Re: Should congressional pensions be cut or eliminated?

    Congressman should receive more less, more more than the street sweeper and janitors; moreover, every time they espouse that a union man's wages and benefits are cut, their's should also be, by law, cut equally..
    A new thing in America...fair play for all...
    And all congressmen should never be allowed to give themselves raises....on all levels of government....
    A to of reform is necessary here..

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