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Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

  • Good guy.

    Votes: 17 36.2%

  • Meh, some of each.

    Votes: 9 19.1%

  • Bad guy.

    Votes: 17 36.2%

  • Who is Sheriff Joe Arpaio?

    Votes: 4 8.5%
  • Total voters
    47
DrunkenAsparagus said:
This is very true, and it should be combated. What evidence of bias was there, in the investigation?
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In the investigation itself none that I know of. But I was talking about how the investigation got started. All it takes is someone/s to claim <insert bad thing here> and an investigation can be started. In Arpaio's case I believe that most of the accusations came from groups like La Raza and other pro-illegal groups. Many pro-illegal groups have a tendency to call racism or racial profiling towards cops (or anyone that is anti-illegal alien) that are against illegal immigrants.

And I agree...such things should be combated. Only problem being that I have no idea how to do so without compromising the US Constitution.

DrunkenAsparagus said:
Injustice being commonplace does not excuse injustice. If Arpaio felt uncomfortable about looking into his subordinate's wrongdoing, which is understandable. He could have reported it.
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But thats the thing...Arpaio may not have even allowed himself to see that there was anything illegal going...again assuming that it wasn't hidden from him very good. Its a psychological thing. Kind of like how a man or woman refuses to acknowledge that thier spouse is/was cheating on them. The evidence may have been there, it was just blocked out on a subconscious level. That's not incompetence...its just human nature.
 
mike2810 said:
You made your opinion clear. I will agree that many elections are a popularity contest. I have been in AZ sine 89 and have read,heard,seen what Sheriff Arpaio has done and accomplished. He has an ego. Loves being in front of the camera. That said, he has carried out many policies that many, including myself, find to be appropriate, cost effective, and the right thing to do. It is better than lip service many elected officials give the public.
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You bring up valid points. The good things that you see about Arpaio, could make him a good sheriff and prompt people to vote for him. I'm not saying that election results have no relation to the quality of a particular candidate, but these numbers can only be the result of quality, not the cause of them.
 
Kal'Stang said:
In the investigation itself none that I know of. But I was talking about how the investigation got started. All it takes is someone/s to claim <insert bad thing here> and an investigation can be started. In Arpaio's case I believe that most of the accusations came from groups like La Raza and other pro-illegal groups. Many pro-illegal groups have a tendency to call racism or racial profiling towards cops (or anyone that is anti-illegal alien) that are against illegal immigrants.
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Just because some nut-job groups make the accusation, that does not mean that all who make an accusation against Arpaio are nut-jobs.

Kal'Stang said:
And I agree...such things should be combated. Only problem being that I have no idea how to do so without compromising the US Constitution.
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Greater vigilance and more checks and balances can help reduce the chances of abuse.

Kal'Stang said:
But thats the thing...Arpaio may not have even allowed himself to see that there was anything illegal going...again assuming that it wasn't hidden from him very good. Its a psychological thing. Kind of like how a man or woman refuses to acknowledge that thier spouse is/was cheating on them. The evidence may have been there, it was just blocked out on a subconscious level. That's not incompetence...its just human nature.
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People may be predisposed to all kinds of harmful things. That does not automatically mean that they are not responsible for them. Arpaio may have been influenced by his relation to his subordinate, but he was not a slave to his trust.
 
It is not hunders of millions. if it is please provide the link.
I see you from California. So your LE never had any claims against them? I did a quick search and California seems to have quite a few. So your point on settlements is mute.
You gave your opinion, I gave mine. My statement for cost effective was in looking at what MCSO has done. Yes it is an opinion.
Is tent city not cost effective? Or are you one of those that feel we need resort prisons?
Some critize MCSO raid on business for ID theft. I feel the operation is cost effective.
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The precise figure is 99.5 million dollars lost by the sheriffs office. I rounded up the extra .5. Arpaio knew about financial problems, ex-CFO says
As far California law enforcement goes, they certainly have plenty of corruption problems. The difference is that I don't defend them after they have taken unacceptable actions.
 
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But thats the thing...Arpaio may not have even allowed himself to see that there was anything illegal going...again assuming that it wasn't hidden from him very good. Its a psychological thing. Kind of like how a man or woman refuses to acknowledge that thier spouse is/was cheating on them. The evidence may have been there, it was just blocked out on a subconscious level. That's not incompetence...its just human nature.
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You are just making excuses for incompetence. It wouldn't have matter if Hendershott was the love of Arpaio's life (which actually was the case between two of the corrupt deputies), if a sheriff doesn't notice his office publicly launching bogus charges against a judge, he isn't capable of doing his job. Even if we pretend the motivations were sympathetic, it doesn't change the basic facts.
 
rathi said:
The wheels of justice move at a goddamned glacial pace. It took 6 months after the Munnel memo to get Hendershott fired and another 6 months to get Hendershott to testify before the court.



It has, along with the FBI and DOJ.
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And the result?
 
He was refreshing during the first few weeks, but then he seemed to fade off my radar.
 
He was cool at the beginning.

Now he's just obscure.

Interesting how the media can have such influence.
 
Wake said:
He was cool at the beginning.

Now he's just obscure.

Interesting how the media can have such influence.
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The media can influence, absolutely, but in his case time for people to settle down and actually see what he is about is enlightening as well. The newness of pink underwear and green bologna has worn off. Now the realities of what he does "under the radar" is sinking in.
 
Amid Calls for His Resignation, Arpaio Apologizes for the Mishandling over 400 Sex-Crime Cases | Fox News Latino

His office said 432 sex-crimes investigations from El Mirage and other parts of the county were reopened after his office learned of cases — including dozens of alleged child molestations — that hadn't been investigated adequately or weren't examined at all over a three-year period ending in 2007.

In El Mirage alone, officials discovered at least 32 reported child molestations — with victims as young as 2 years old — where the sheriff's office failed to follow through, even though suspects were known in all but six cases.​



That is some weak sauce, imho. But I understand some mileage may vary.​
 
Lachean said:
Hey Galileo, most of the people in the world disagree with you.

Appeals to population are so silly, on top of being fallacious tripe.
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Now see I can agree with liberal thinking ...... because look at our last Presidential election in the US ... talk about being fallacious tripe
 
We need about 500 of him in Washington and we'd have no more issues.
 
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