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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    My point is if Joe A. was not doing a "good" job, he would not have been relected numerous times. Maricopa county has a very diverse voting population.

    I agree someone can be popular and not very good at the job. Some of our current elected officials come to mind.
    You can be popular, get reelected numerous times, and still be bad. FDR won four elections, and this does nothing to dissuade me from thinking that he was a bad President. Elections are fundamentally a popularity contest, and while I think they are generally the best way of picking public officials, arguing that they automatically make someone a good leader is just making an argumentum ad populum.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    You can be popular, get reelected numerous times, and still be bad. FDR won four elections, and this does nothing to dissuade me from thinking that he was a bad President. Elections are fundamentally a popularity contest, and while I think they are generally the best way of picking public officials, arguing that they automatically make someone a good leader is just making an argumentum ad populum.
    You made your opinion clear. I will agree that many elections are a popularity contest. I have been in AZ sine 89 and have read,heard,seen what Sheriff Arpaio has done and accomplished. He has an ego. Loves being in front of the camera. That said, he has carried out many policies that many, including myself, find to be appropriate, cost effective, and the right thing to do. It is better than lip service many elected officials give the public.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    You made your opinion clear. I will agree that many elections are a popularity contest. I have been in AZ sine 89 and have read,heard,seen what Sheriff Arpaio has done and accomplished. He has an ego. Loves being in front of the camera. That said, he has carried out many policies that many, including myself, find to be appropriate, cost effective, and the right thing to do. It is better than lip service many elected officials give the public.
    You would call a man who literally lost a hundred million dollars, "cost effective"? Not to mention the 50 million the county has paid in a lawsuits as a result of his actions.

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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You would call a man who literally lost a hundred million dollars, "cost effective"? Not to mention the 50 million the county has paid in a lawsuits as a result of his actions.
    It is not hunders of millions. if it is please provide the link.
    I see you from California. So your LE never had any claims against them? I did a quick search and California seems to have quite a few. So your point on settlements is mute.
    You gave your opinion, I gave mine. My statement for cost effective was in looking at what MCSO has done. Yes it is an opinion.
    Is tent city not cost effective? Or are you one of those that feel we need resort prisons?
    Some critize MCSO raid on business for ID theft. I feel the operation is cost effective.

    So tell me, is California LE cost effective? How much has your State paid out?
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    This is very true, and it should be combated. What evidence of bias was there, in the investigation?
    In the investigation itself none that I know of. But I was talking about how the investigation got started. All it takes is someone/s to claim <insert bad thing here> and an investigation can be started. In Arpaio's case I believe that most of the accusations came from groups like La Raza and other pro-illegal groups. Many pro-illegal groups have a tendency to call racism or racial profiling towards cops (or anyone that is anti-illegal alien) that are against illegal immigrants.

    And I agree...such things should be combated. Only problem being that I have no idea how to do so without compromising the US Constitution.

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    Injustice being commonplace does not excuse injustice. If Arpaio felt uncomfortable about looking into his subordinate's wrongdoing, which is understandable. He could have reported it.
    But thats the thing...Arpaio may not have even allowed himself to see that there was anything illegal going...again assuming that it wasn't hidden from him very good. Its a psychological thing. Kind of like how a man or woman refuses to acknowledge that thier spouse is/was cheating on them. The evidence may have been there, it was just blocked out on a subconscious level. That's not incompetence...its just human nature.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    You made your opinion clear. I will agree that many elections are a popularity contest. I have been in AZ sine 89 and have read,heard,seen what Sheriff Arpaio has done and accomplished. He has an ego. Loves being in front of the camera. That said, he has carried out many policies that many, including myself, find to be appropriate, cost effective, and the right thing to do. It is better than lip service many elected officials give the public.
    You bring up valid points. The good things that you see about Arpaio, could make him a good sheriff and prompt people to vote for him. I'm not saying that election results have no relation to the quality of a particular candidate, but these numbers can only be the result of quality, not the cause of them.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In the investigation itself none that I know of. But I was talking about how the investigation got started. All it takes is someone/s to claim <insert bad thing here> and an investigation can be started. In Arpaio's case I believe that most of the accusations came from groups like La Raza and other pro-illegal groups. Many pro-illegal groups have a tendency to call racism or racial profiling towards cops (or anyone that is anti-illegal alien) that are against illegal immigrants.
    Just because some nut-job groups make the accusation, that does not mean that all who make an accusation against Arpaio are nut-jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And I agree...such things should be combated. Only problem being that I have no idea how to do so without compromising the US Constitution.
    Greater vigilance and more checks and balances can help reduce the chances of abuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But thats the thing...Arpaio may not have even allowed himself to see that there was anything illegal going...again assuming that it wasn't hidden from him very good. Its a psychological thing. Kind of like how a man or woman refuses to acknowledge that thier spouse is/was cheating on them. The evidence may have been there, it was just blocked out on a subconscious level. That's not incompetence...its just human nature.
    People may be predisposed to all kinds of harmful things. That does not automatically mean that they are not responsible for them. Arpaio may have been influenced by his relation to his subordinate, but he was not a slave to his trust.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    It is not hunders of millions. if it is please provide the link.
    I see you from California. So your LE never had any claims against them? I did a quick search and California seems to have quite a few. So your point on settlements is mute.
    You gave your opinion, I gave mine. My statement for cost effective was in looking at what MCSO has done. Yes it is an opinion.
    Is tent city not cost effective? Or are you one of those that feel we need resort prisons?
    Some critize MCSO raid on business for ID theft. I feel the operation is cost effective.
    The precise figure is 99.5 million dollars lost by the sheriffs office. I rounded up the extra .5. Arpaio knew about financial problems, ex-CFO says
    As far California law enforcement goes, they certainly have plenty of corruption problems. The difference is that I don't defend them after they have taken unacceptable actions.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    But thats the thing...Arpaio may not have even allowed himself to see that there was anything illegal going...again assuming that it wasn't hidden from him very good. Its a psychological thing. Kind of like how a man or woman refuses to acknowledge that thier spouse is/was cheating on them. The evidence may have been there, it was just blocked out on a subconscious level. That's not incompetence...its just human nature.
    You are just making excuses for incompetence. It wouldn't have matter if Hendershott was the love of Arpaio's life (which actually was the case between two of the corrupt deputies), if a sheriff doesn't notice his office publicly launching bogus charges against a judge, he isn't capable of doing his job. Even if we pretend the motivations were sympathetic, it doesn't change the basic facts.

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