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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    The man wanted to set up checkpoints all over his county just to stop cars and search them for drugs. He has no regard for constitutionality, just an authoritarian nutjob in favor of an ultra police state.

    spin, spin , spin.
    Care to provide proof? They also set up DUI checkpoints, oh my!
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Hey Galileo, most of the people in the world disagree with you.

    Appeals to population are so silly, on top of being fallacious tripe.
    what a stupid post.
    Prove that the world disagrees with me. I was mearly responding to DA on the fact that Joe A. has been elected each time he as come up for election.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    I've always found it interesting that the more vigorously a person defends "law-and-order" the more willing they are to abandon law-and-order when it comes to procedure in an attempt to reach their goal.

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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Good is subjective. Your definition for a LE may differ from mine.
    Not trying to deflect. Mearly pointing out that some use double standards for debating.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    But - he's not good . . . because you don't think he's good?
    We can agree on some standards for "good" or that defeats the entire premise of the site. My point is that popularity is a poor standard for or poor evidence for meeting a standard for good
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yeah, could mean lots of things. Could mean lots of people that have an agenda complained enough that something public had to be done. Could mean that powerful people (like Obama) are pushing thier own agenda also. Lots of innocent people have been persecuted just because of thier beliefs before and will be again in the future.
    This is very true, and it should be combated. What evidence of bias was there, in the investigation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There should not be a lot of things in this world. But they exist. But if we live our lives suspecting everyone and never trusting anyone then we might as well throw in the towel as human beings right now.
    Injustice being commonplace does not excuse injustice. If Arpaio felt uncomfortable about looking into his subordinate's wrongdoing, which is understandable. He could have reported it.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    spin, spin , spin.
    Care to provide proof? They also set up DUI checkpoints, oh my!
    Yeah, there was a segment in the War on Drug's episode of Penn and Teller's Bull**** dedicated to him where he admitted it in his "we have to protect people from themselves" tripe.

    No spin there, just the facts. A DUI checkpoint is very different from stopping every citizen and searching their vehicle without warrant or reason. The fact that you support this tells me all I need to know about you.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    what a stupid post. Prove that the world disagrees with me.
    I never said the world did. I was commenting on how most people alive thought Galileo was wrong in his time, and how their majority opinion is meaningless. Saying that you're right because most people agree with you is a logical fallacy (appeal to population) ALL OF THIS of course went over your head just makes your calling my post "stupid" just priceless.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I was mearly responding to DA on the fact that Joe A. has been elected each time he as come up for election.
    No, you were committing a logical fallacy. It doesn't matter how popular he is.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Injustice being commonplace does not excuse injustice. If Arpaio felt uncomfortable about looking into his subordinate's wrongdoing, which is understandable. He could have reported it.
    Bingo.

    Besides, Arpairo's claim on any wrongdoing by his subordinates without his knowledge just doesn't wash. He prides himself on being "the man", the one in control and knowing everything that goes on in his department... until knowing everything suddenly becomes inconvenient, apparently. Does anybody really think he is fine with NOT knowing what goes on in his department? Puh-leeze.

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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    We can agree on some standards for "good" or that defeats the entire premise of the site. My point is that popularity is a poor standard for or poor evidence for meeting a standard for good
    My point is if Joe A. was not doing a "good" job, he would not have been relected numerous times. Maricopa county has a very diverse voting population.

    I agree someone can be popular and not very good at the job. Some of our current elected officials come to mind.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Bingo.

    Besides, Arpairo's claim on any wrongdoing by his subordinates without his knowledge just doesn't wash. He prides himself on being "the man", the one in control and knowing everything that goes on in his department... until knowing everything suddenly becomes inconvenient, apparently. Does anybody really think he is fine with NOT knowing what goes on in his department? Puh-leeze.
    Maybe your right, maybe your not. I will give you that much that the sheriff may know more than he is saying.

    Just remember your statement when it comes to other govt. officals that you think are ok.
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    Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Good guy, or bad guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Maybe your right, maybe your not. I will give you that much that the sheriff may know more than he is saying.

    Just remember your statement when it comes to other govt. officals that you think are ok.
    Generally I do, but a alot of it depends on how they portray themselves.

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