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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Well according to the dictionary anything at all that someone likes or is devoited to is a cult...

    1: formal religious veneration : worship

    2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents

    3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

    4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>

    5: a. great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
    b. the object of such devotion
    c. a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
    - Cult - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    So anything people are devoted to is a cult. I am good with that.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Okay, to answer the question at least somewhat thoughtfully, I've found the main differences from an cult recovery website, CultClinic.org

    (Cults on the left, religions on the right, fyi)
    Deceit in recruitment Information offered up front
    Totalitarian Allows freedom of thought and members have a say
    Destroys that family unit Promotes the family unit
    Isolates its members Works within society
    Keeps non-believers out Open to general community
    Limits development of individual Interested in promoting potential
    Exploits and manipulates its members with mind control techniques While there are guidelines members are not systematically controlled
    Commitment is encouraged during recruitment process Thought before commitment is encouraged as part of conversion process
    Criticism is met with threats of legal action People are free to speak out against the tenets of a religion
    Leader and follower consider leader to be above reproach Clergy are expected to be responsible for their words and actions
    Questioning the leader, or basic tenets, is not allowed Critical thinking is allowed and sometimes even encouraged
    This is pretty much how I define cults.
    The useful way to distinguish cults from non-cult is to look at their methods. Some religions may have mildly cult-like tendencies, but that doesn't mean I would call them cults. One point I'd like to make is that by this definition there can be cults that aren't religions.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well according to the dictionary anything at all that someone likes or is devoited to is a cult...

    1: formal religious veneration : worship

    2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents

    3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

    4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>

    5: a. great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
    b. the object of such devotion
    c. a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
    - Cult - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    So anything people are devoted to is a cult. I am good with that.
    thats reality, some people accept it some dont because they are too sensitive for REAL ACTUAL meanings of words.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    thats reality, some people accept it some dont because they are too sensitive for REAL ACTUAL meanings of words.
    Do you agree that the way most people use the word is not consistent with the dictionary definition?

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Do you agree that the way most people use the word is not consistent with the dictionary definition?
    No because I do not know how most people use it do you?. Ive never seen any evidence to suggest that MOST people use it WRONG.

    I know SOME people use it as a negative and those some people get the most attention because they use it as a negative which typically happens when people do something wrong over something right

    I know what you are getting and its not that I even disagree but 75% of the people can call the color blue purple but the fact remains its still blue.
    Slang and negatives are used all the time but since it was a very direct question without any extra premise I can only answer accurately.

    "Are all religions cults?"

    the only correct answer is yes
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    No because I do not know how most people use it do you?. Ive never seen any evidence to suggest that MOST people use it WRONG.
    I definitely see evidence that most people use it to mean something other than dictionary definition. All you have to do is look at the times in society when "cult" is invoked. It's invoked when people are referring to religious groups that seem crazy in some way. People don't use cult to refer to Lutherans or Catholics, they use it to refer to the Manson Family

    You can even go to the Wikipedia page and the first line describes the popular use of the word. Cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just think back to conversations you've had with people about cults, about the religions society/media has associated with cults. I doubt you could honestly say that most people consider mainstream religions as cults. Cult is not used according to it's dictionary definition anymore and I won't be surprised if the dictionary definition changes soon.

    I know SOME people use it as a negative and those some people get the most attention because they use it as a negative which typically happens when people do something wrong over something right

    I know what you are getting and its not that I even disagree but 75% of the people can call the color blue purple but the fact remains its still blue.
    Slang and negatives are used all the time but since it was a very direct question without any extra premise I can only answer accurately.

    "Are all religions cults?"

    the only correct answer is yes
    It's really not some people. It's most people. Every time a bizarre religion does something, the media is sure to call it cult, but that term is rarely, if ever, used to describe mainstream religions. When you have conversations with people about cults, the image they have in their head is usually vastly different. This why there are now sites dedicated to getting people out of cults and why psychologists make their own suggestions for getting out of cults - none of these cults are mainstream religions they're are talking about.

    My point is that the reason religious people don't want religion to be called a cult is because the societal definition of the word is different from the dictionary definition. It's not necessarily because they are "sensitive". It's because the word doesn't mean to people what it means to the dictionary.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I definitely see evidence that most people use it to mean something other than dictionary definition. All you have to do is look at the times in society when "cult" is invoked. It's invoked when people are referring to religious groups that seem crazy in some way. People don't use cult to refer to Lutherans or Catholics, they use it to refer to the Manson Family



    You can even go to the Wikipedia page and the first line describes the popular use of the word. Cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just think back to conversations you've had with people about cults, about the religions society/media has associated with cults. I doubt you could honestly say that most people consider mainstream religions as cults. Cult is not used according to it's dictionary definition anymore and I won't be surprised if the dictionary definition changes soon.
    uhm id like to see your evidence thats different from what I said, that the NEGATIVE gets the most attention
    2 I just called them cults along with others in this thread
    3 no matter how they use it, the facts dont change
    4 wikipedia doesnt intrest me at all for the definition of words lol
    5 IF it changes then calling all religions will be inaccurate but currently calling them cults is still accurate.

    I find it odd that the facts seem to bother you or am i guessing wrong? please correct me if i guessed wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's really not some people. It's most people. Every time a bizarre religion does something, the media is sure to call it cult, but that term is rarely, if ever, used to describe mainstream religions. When you have conversations with people about cults, the image they have in their head is usually vastly different. This why there are now sites dedicated to getting people out of cults and why psychologists make their own suggestions for getting out of cults - none of these cults are mainstream religions they're are talking about.

    My point is that the reason religious people don't want religion to be called a cult is because the societal definition of the word is different from the dictionary definition. It's not necessarily because they are "sensitive". It's because the word doesn't mean to people what it means to the dictionary.
    Well IMO they are sensitive and overreacting because i have no problem with people properly using words LOL
    People can call my religion or anything im affiliated with a cult and it wont bother me nor would I try to WRONGLY correct them because id look like an idiot arguing against facts. Sorry just the way it is.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    I find the term "cult" abbrasive. When I think of a cult, I think of a small organization that operates on manipulation and coercion, sometimes in a forceful manner.

    I think some churches and temples have cult-like behavior, but religion in of itself has the power to be sane or insane. It depends on the user. There are a lot of balanced religious people out there whose philosophy I can work with, and I've had a real connection with some of those people. Others... are just obviously brainwashed.

    Cults also exist outside of religion, when someone has a specific philosophy or ideology that hooks a bunch of people in. Usually the weak minded.

    I do think that many aspects of religion are outdated though, and they are old world. A lot of those teachings need to be released and people need to stop excusing their ignorant, brainless behavior by citing scripture. You always have free will and always have a choice. Doing the wrong thing and blaming it on something else is not taking responsibility.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    When I think of notable cults of our past, with examples of mass suicide by the drinking of poisoned koolaid or the mere existence of the moonies, I can't say that Christianity/broad religions are a cult. People go to those churches of their own volition, and of their own free will decide to leave them.

    Some cults may use religion, but broad religions are not cults.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    uhm id like to see your evidence thats different from what I said, that the NEGATIVE gets the most attention
    2 I just called them cults along with others in this thread
    3 no matter how they use it, the facts dont change
    4 wikipedia doesnt intrest me at all for the definition of words lol
    5 IF it changes then calling all religions will be inaccurate but currently calling them cults is still accurate.

    I find it odd that the facts seem to bother you or am i guessing wrong? please correct me if i guessed wrong.

    Well IMO they are sensitive and overreacting because i have no problem with people properly using words LOL
    People can call my religion or anything im affiliated with a cult and it wont bother me nor would I try to WRONGLY correct them because id look like an idiot arguing against facts. Sorry just the way it is.
    I'll simplify this. There are several definitions of "cult". Here they are:
    1. formal religious veneration

    2. a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents

    3. a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult
    You're using the first and second definitions. However, most people use the third definition when referring to cults which is why most people don't consider Catholicism a cult, but they do consider the Branch Davidians a cult. For this reason, it is inaccurate to reduce the aversion of the religious to use "cult" as mere "sensitivity". On the contrary, it is their familiarity with society's use of "cult" (the third definition) that inspires them to object to people's use of the term. While their religions are "systems of religious beliefs", they may not be "regarded as unorthodox or spurious" which is what most people mean when they say the word.

    I should also correct the part of my post where I said that "I won't be surprised if the dictionary definition changes soon" because the dictionary has already changed as evidenced by the fact that dictionaries including the OED and MW use the definition I'm referring to. There's also this dictionary which lists the most popular definition first in their list.

    Also, I find it funny that you laughed about my link to Wikipedia when the definition I pointed you to on the page was from the Oxford English Dictionary. That's a pretty good source for definitions, no?
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