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What were they then, Josie?
I learned more recently about the Epic of Gilgamesh and how it has stories in it that are almost exactly mirrored in the Old Testament of the Bible.....(Creation and "The Flood")
Couple that with how Christianity came after, yet has extremely similar theories from previous Roman and other Pagan religions... and Ive come to the conclusion that somewhere along the line people made their own stories and those stories turned into a way to wield power over the people.
Christians also used the bible to justify slavery. It was Lincoln who was either an atheist or deist that led the fight to emancipate them. Just goes to show that people that dont subscribe to a religion have more morals.
What were they then, Josie?
Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics (C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons). Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.
A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[13][14][15] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[16] A few others (most notably Thomas Paine) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[17] - Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Next time take 2 minutes and look for yourself, you mite learn something without looking ahem... uninformed.
Interesting, I think your argument is better pointed to 99percenter, but, whatever. Did I necessarily disagree? No. I simply asked Josie to state her belief on what the FF were.
I bet if I looked in your history I'd see "Founding fathers religion"
Anyway, here is an interesting article:
Religion and the Founding Fathers
Religion is evil and has been used as a excuse to commit all kinds of heinous acts. The nazis were christian and committed heinous acts in the name of Christianity.
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Most of our founding fathers were atheists and deists and realized the evils of religion so they decided to create a secular nation. Religion is a form of oppression. We have a church that says condoms make the HIV problem in africa worst. Religious fanatics here spend more money stopping gays from getting married instead of donating to charity or helping the poor. They also want to indoctrinate our children with false creationists theories. A society w/o religion like norway is a much happier one.
You don't have to rebut anything. A true atheist would agree with all i have to say.
"Religion is the root of all evil in the world"
I see you're one of those types. You were just checking to see what someone else thought. Sure....bull****.Interesting, I think your argument is better pointed to 99percenter, but, whatever. Did I necessarily disagree? No. I simply asked Josie to state her belief on what the FF were.
I bet if I looked in your history I'd see "Founding fathers religion"
Anyway, here is an interesting article:
Religion and the Founding Fathers
:shock:
Wait, did you say that the Nazis were Christian and committed the Holocaust and WWII in the name of Christianity?
/facepalmx1000
Did you say that the founders of the US were atheists?
/facepalmx100
Read you history. Seriously. Just read it. There's too much fail here
Yes, hitler was catholic and committed the holocaust in the name of Christianity. And i said the founders were either deists or atheists and didn't take part in any religion. Ben franklin was a confirmed atheist.
The word cult in current popular usage usually refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The word was first used in the early 17th century denoting homage paid to a divinity and derived from the French culte or Latin cultus, ‘worship’, from cult-, ‘inhabited, cultivated, worshipped,’ from the verb colere, 'care, cultivation'.
Popularizing the word: Anti-cult movements and their impact
Main articles: Anti-cult movement and Christian countercult movement
In the 1940s, the long held opposition by some established Christian denominations to non-Christian religions or/and supposedly heretical Christian sects crystallized into a more organized "Christian countercult movement" in the United States. For those belonging to the movement, all new religious groups deemed outside of Christian orthodoxy were considered "cults".[7] As more foreign religious traditions found their way into the United States, the religious movements they brought with them attracted even fiercer resistance. This was especially true for movements incorporating mystical or exotic new beliefs and those with charismatic, authoritarian leaders.
In the early 1970s, a secular opposition movement to "cult" groups had taken shape. The organizations that formed the secular "Anti-cult movement" (ACM) often acted on behalf of relatives of "cult" converts who did not believe their loved ones could have altered their lives so drastically by their own free will. A few psychologists and sociologists working in this field lent credibility to their disbelief by suggesting that "brainwashing techniques" were used to maintain the loyalty of "cult" members.[8] The belief that cults "brainwashed" their members became a unifying theme among cult critics and in the more extreme corners of the Anti-cult movement techniques like the sometimes forceful "deprogramming" of "cult members" becoming standard practice.[9]
In the meantime, a handful of high profile crimes were committed by groups identified as cults, or by the groups' leaders. The mass suicides committed by members of the People's Temple in Jonestown, Guyana, and the Manson Family murders are perhaps the most prominent examples in American popular culture. The publicity of these crimes, as amplified by the Anti-cult movement, influenced the popular perception of new religious movements[citation needed]. In the mass media, and among average citizens, "cult" gained an increasingly negative connotation, becoming associated with things like kidnapping, brainwashing, psychological abuse, sexual abuse and other criminal activity, and mass suicide. While most of these negative qualities usually have real documented precedents in the activities of a very small minority of new religious groups, mass culture often extends them to any religious group viewed as culturally deviant, however peaceful or law abiding it may be.[10][11][12]
In the late 1980s, psychologists and sociologists started to abandon theories like brainwashing and mind-control. While scholars may believe that various less dramatic coercive psychological mechanisms could influence group members, they came to see conversion to new religious movements principally as an act of a rational choice.[13][14] Most sociologists and scholars of religion also began to reject the word "cult" altogether because of its negative connotations in mass culture. Some began to advocate the use of new terms like "new religious movement", "alternative religion" or "novel religion" to describe most of the groups that had come to be referred to as "cults",[15] yet none of these terms have had much success in popular culture or in the media. Other scholars have pushed to redeem the word as one fit for neutral academic discourse,[16] while researchers aligned with the Anti-cult movement have attempted to reduce the negative connotations being associated with all such groups by classifying only some as "destructive cults".
Are you even aware of how completely ignorant this statement sounds? Does 99percent refer to the number of questions that you got wrong on your last history exam?Christians also used the bible to justify slavery. It was Lincoln who was either an atheist or deist ..........................
Right! The Holocaust was committed in the name of Christianity? This is almost unworthy of a response, but since I feel that it is my civic duty to help educate the unwashed masses, here goes. :roll: Here are a couple of quotes from Hitler himself regarding Christianity. You be the judge, if you are cognitively capable:Yes, hitler was catholic and committed the holocaust in the name of Christianity. And i said the founders were either deists or atheists and didn't take part in any religion. Ben franklin was a confirmed atheist.
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity." - Adolf Hitler, 1934
Hitler was very clear about what he had in store for Christians: "Christianity is an invention of sick brains....The war will be over one day. I shall then consider that my life's final task will be to solve the religious problem…For the moment I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them." - Adolf Hitler, 1940
" For much of his life, Lincoln was undoubtedly Deist.[46][47] In his younger days he openly challenged orthodox religions, but as he matured and became a candidate for public office, he kept his Deist views more to himself, and would sometimes attend Presbyterian services with his wife Mary Todd Lincoln. He loved to read the Bible, and even quoted from it, but he almost never made reference to Jesus, and is not known to have ever indicated a belief in the divinity of Jesus.Are you even aware of how completely ignorant this statement sounds? Does 99percent refer to the number of questions that you got wrong on your last history exam?
I'll take Lincoln at his own word. Ever read his Second Inaugural address? I'm certain that you have not, but, as I said, I feel the need to help enlighten the unwashed masses:" For much of his life, Lincoln was undoubtedly Deist.[46][47] In his younger days he openly challenged orthodox religions, but as he matured and became a candidate for public office, he kept his Deist views more to himself, and would sometimes attend Presbyterian services with his wife Mary Todd Lincoln. He loved to read the Bible, and even quoted from it, but he almost never made reference to Jesus, and is not known to have ever indicated a belief in the divinity of Jesus.
Evidence against Lincoln's ever being Christian includes offerings from two of Lincoln's most intimate friends, Ward Hill Lamon and William H. Herndon. Both Herndon and Lamon published biographies of their former colleague after his assassination relating their personal recollections of him. Each denied Lincoln's adherence to Christianity and characterized his religious beliefs as deist or atheist."
Religious affiliations of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There ya go.
Sure doesn't sound like someone who didn't espouse any specific religious beliefs. :shrug: But please, don't let things like facts, authentic quotations, and actual accounts get in the way of your trolling and hackery. :lol:"Both [North and South] read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes." - Abraham Lincoln, March 1865, 2nd Inaugural Address
Even more to the point was his reply when a minister from the North told the president he "hoped the Lord is on our side." Responded Lincoln, "I am not at all concerned about that. . . . But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side."
What were they then, Josie?
Ben franklin was a confirmed atheist.
I'll take Lincoln at his own word. Ever read his Second Inaugural address? I'm certain that you have not, but, as I said, I feel the need to help enlighten the unwashed masses:
Sure doesn't sound like someone who didn't espouse any specific religious beliefs. :shrug: But please, don't let things like facts, authentic quotations, and actual accounts get in the way of your trolling and hackery. :lol:
Yes, hitler was catholic and committed the holocaust in the name of Christianity.
I do feel a bit sorry for these college kids, like 99percenter here, who fall under the spells of their left wing professors who are tying to push an agenda. They just keep sendin' 'em out into the world spouting the same old worn out talking points, and unsubstantiated fertilizer. *Sighs*......... I suppose I'll just have to redouble my efforts. :lol:
Yes, hitler was catholic and committed the holocaust in the name of Christianity. And i said the founders were either deists or atheists and didn't take part in any religion. Ben franklin was a confirmed atheist.