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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, allow me to revise my previous definition:
    A cult = any religion that isn't respected by the person making the statement, and has significantly fewer adherents than the person's own religion.
    That sounds closer to the idea I have in my mind because number certainly has something to do with it, but I think it's about more than numbers. It also has to do with the way the adherents to said religion behave, particularly in relation to those outside of the religion.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Cults aren't always religious. Didn't you hear? How do you think Obama was elected?

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    The question was "are all religions cults?" Not "are all cults religious?" Reading comprehension is a great thing, Wake. But don't let it get in the way if your bashing Obama.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That sounds closer to the idea I have in my mind because number certainly has something to do with it, but I think it's about more than numbers. It also has to do with the way the adherents to said religion behave, particularly in relation to those outside of the religion.
    If that's the case I'm not quite sure why so many evangelical churches peg Mormonism as a cult. Most Mormons are good family people who have nothing against outsiders, and to the extent they proselytize I've found them to generally be much less obnoxious about it than some of the evangelical churches themselves are.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The question was "are all religions cults?" Not "are all cults religious?" Reading comprehension is a great thing, Wake. But don't let it get in the way if your bashing Obama.
    Oh, I'm aware of the OP. I take offense to it, too, because "cult" is a negative connotation. Therefore, before people slur the religious in such a passive-agressive style, they should understand that they just might be hypocrites.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If that's the case I'm not quite sure why so many evangelical churches peg Mormonism as a cult. Most Mormons are good family people who have nothing against outsiders, and to the extent they proselytize I've found them to generally be much less obnoxious about it than some of the evangelical churches themselves are.
    I think that has to do with ignorance. In the past, Mormonism wasn't as friendly to outsiders and I think people still have that stereotype in their mind. When the image you have in your mind of a religion is a group of people who live in a state of their own, practice polygamy and hate black people, then that goes with the whole "it's also about how the religion relates to outsiders" aspect of my argument even if that image is now completely inaccurate.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That sounds closer to the idea I have in my mind because number certainly has something to do with it, but I think it's about more than numbers. It also has to do with the way the adherents to said religion behave, particularly in relation to those outside of the religion.
    but why do you think that? by definition neither are a factor ( numbers/behavior)

    just honestly curious because I CLEARLY acknowledge that people have different opinions on what a cult is, usually cult is used as a negative but like I said before those people are simply using the word wrong.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    but why do you think that? by definition neither are a factor ( numbers/behavior)

    just honestly curious because I CLEARLY acknowledge that people have different opinions on what a cult is, usually cult is used as a negative but like I said before those people are simply using the word wrong.
    Well, I'm only explaining how I use the word and how I think most people use the word and I admit most people's use of the word, including mine, doesn't strictly follow the dictionary definition.

    People usually label something a cult when its members require an unusual amount of physical or mental/emotional isolation from those outside of the religion in addition to an abnormally strict set of behaviors. Think of the religions people tend to consider cults: Scientology, Mormonism (at least certain sects), Jehovah's witnesses, Opus Dei within the Catholic Church, Branch Davidians and so on. Their members either currently have or have a history of requiring an abnormal amount of isolation from/hostility towards outsiders and abnormally strict rules for one's behavior.

    They essentially do what all religions do, but they just intensify it to the point where most people feel uncomfortable and a bit frightened if not threatened.

    And also size often has something to do with it probably because the larger a religion is, the more familiar it seems and the more the comfortable people are with it.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Well, I'm only explaining how I use the word and how I think most people use the word and I admit most people's use of the word, including mine, doesn't strictly follow the dictionary definition.

    People usually label something a cult when its members require an unusual amount of physical or mental/emotional isolation from those outside of the religion in addition to an abnormally strict set of behaviors. Think of the religions people tend to consider cults: Scientology, Mormonism (at least certain sects), Jehovah's witnesses, Opus Dei within the Catholic Church, Branch Davidians and so on. Their members either currently have or have a history of requiring an abnormal amount of isolation from/hostility towards outsiders and abnormally strict rules for one's behavior.

    They essentially do what all religions do, but they just intensify it to the point where most people feel uncomfortable and a bit frightened if not threatened.

    And also size often has something to do with it probably because the larger a religion is, the more familiar it seems and the more the comfortable people are with it.
    I pretty much agree I was just curious as to your opinion and usage of the word. I think lots of people use words wrong and the problem with that is that people tend to ignore the real meaning. Im not accusing you of this im just speaking in general.

    Im laughing at the people here that are offended that their religion might be referred to as a cult. The fact is, it IS a cult. Now if the person is TRYING to be NEGATIVE or INSULTING by using that word by all means be offended. If they are not you just look foolish denying the fact that your religion is a cult.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Oh, I'm aware of the OP. I take offense to it, too, because "cult" is a negative connotation. Therefore, before people slur the religious in such a passive-agressive style, they should understand that they just might be hypocrites.
    Only if you hold to that negative connotation that is put on "cult".

    Many people say that just about anything has a "cult" following, including Twilight, Harry Potter, Star Trek, Star Wars, many '80s cartoons, Justin Bieber, or just about any other entertainment entity out there.

    Heck, I could probably say that I was a part of several "cults" right now just from how much I obsess about certain entertain avenues of mine.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Okay, to answer the question at least somewhat thoughtfully, I've found the main differences from an cult recovery website, CultClinic.org

    (Cults on the left, religions on the right, fyi)
    Deceit in recruitment Information offered up front
    Totalitarian Allows freedom of thought and members have a say
    Destroys that family unit Promotes the family unit
    Isolates its members Works within society
    Keeps non-believers out Open to general community
    Limits development of individual Interested in promoting potential
    Exploits and manipulates its members with mind control techniques While there are guidelines members are not systematically controlled
    Commitment is encouraged during recruitment process Thought before commitment is encouraged as part of conversion process
    Criticism is met with threats of legal action People are free to speak out against the tenets of a religion
    Leader and follower consider leader to be above reproach Clergy are expected to be responsible for their words and actions
    Questioning the leader, or basic tenets, is not allowed Critical thinking is allowed and sometimes even encouraged
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