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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    What were they then, Josie?
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I learned more recently about the Epic of Gilgamesh and how it has stories in it that are almost exactly mirrored in the Old Testament of the Bible.....(Creation and "The Flood")

    Couple that with how Christianity came after, yet has extremely similar theories from previous Roman and other Pagan religions... and Ive come to the conclusion that somewhere along the line people made their own stories and those stories turned into a way to wield power over the people.
    Creation and Flood myths are an almost universal component of all religions, yep.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Christians also used the bible to justify slavery. It was Lincoln who was either an atheist or deist that led the fight to emancipate them. Just goes to show that people that dont subscribe to a religion have more morals.
    Alright, I'm beginning to think you're either a poe, or intentionally being obtuse. I'm a deist and almost all of what you're saying is blatant hackery and generalizations based on an extremely small grain of truth.

    1) One can justify slavery in many ways. It doesn't have to be through religion.

    2) The abolitionist movement actually arose in large part from the Second Great Awakening - that's right, it was motivated in large part by religion.

    3) Your final sentence has about as much truth to it as the belief that on the part of some religious fundamentalists that nonreligious people don't have morals.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 11-07-11 at 01:31 AM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    What were they then, Josie?
    Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics (C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons). Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.
    A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[13][14][15] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[16] A few others (most notably Thomas Paine) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[17]
    - Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Next time take 2 minutes and look for yourself, you mite learn something without looking ahem... uninformed.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics (C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons). Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.
    A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[13][14][15] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[16] A few others (most notably Thomas Paine) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[17]
    - Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Next time take 2 minutes and look for yourself, you mite learn something without looking ahem... uninformed.
    Interesting, I think your argument is better pointed to 99percenter, but, whatever. Did I necessarily disagree? No. I simply asked Josie to state her belief on what the FF were.

    I bet if I looked in your history I'd see "Founding fathers religion"

    Anyway, here is an interesting article:

    Religion and the Founding Fathers
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Interesting, I think your argument is better pointed to 99percenter, but, whatever. Did I necessarily disagree? No. I simply asked Josie to state her belief on what the FF were.

    I bet if I looked in your history I'd see "Founding fathers religion"

    Anyway, here is an interesting article:

    Religion and the Founding Fathers
    So 8 out of 55 may or may not have been what we would consider a Christian.

    So what? It does not change anything that was stated at all and actually backs up her reaction to his statement.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Religion is evil and has been used as a excuse to commit all kinds of heinous acts. The nazis were christian and committed heinous acts in the name of Christianity.

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    Most of our founding fathers were atheists and deists and realized the evils of religion so they decided to create a secular nation. Religion is a form of oppression. We have a church that says condoms make the HIV problem in africa worst. Religious fanatics here spend more money stopping gays from getting married instead of donating to charity or helping the poor. They also want to indoctrinate our children with false creationists theories. A society w/o religion like norway is a much happier one.

    Wait, did you say that the Nazis were Christian and committed the Holocaust and WWII in the name of Christianity?
    /facepalmx1000
    Did you say that the founders of the US were atheists?
    /facepalmx100

    Read you history. Seriously. Just read it. There's too much fail here
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    You don't have to rebut anything. A true atheist would agree with all i have to say.
    All of my friends, either religious or atheists would be disgusted by your comments. Even one of my most hardcore atheist friend, the guy that doesn't even talk to his family due to a disagreement about religion (his family was Catholic) would be shocked.

    I don't think even Ikari would agree with those two statements
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    "Religion is the root of all evil in the world"
    Actually the proper term is "Money is the root of all evil in the world". Not "religion".

    You're second one however is correct.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Interesting, I think your argument is better pointed to 99percenter, but, whatever. Did I necessarily disagree? No. I simply asked Josie to state her belief on what the FF were.

    I bet if I looked in your history I'd see "Founding fathers religion"

    Anyway, here is an interesting article:

    Religion and the Founding Fathers
    I see you're one of those types. You were just checking to see what someone else thought. Sure....bull****.
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