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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Simple answer...NO

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    A few questions here:

    1. To which "happy" countries are you referring?
    2. How do you rate the "happiness level" of a country?
    3. How do you determine that an entire nation is atheistic/agnostic?
    4. Can you provide substantiation for your logically fallacious assertions?
    Look at this list
    US doesn't make cut for happiest nations list - Business - World business - msnbc.com

    If you look at this map
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ckerman_en.svg

    that's where all the atheists tend to be. In happy nations. The extremely religious nations like our's tend to be third world countries.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    James wrote that according to God "pure and undefiled religion is to visit orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained by the world". Using that definition, the examples used above describe a defiled religion - a false religion - potentially a cult.

    According to James, what will the Christian religion do when it is properly and fairly developed? "Pure religion" would mean being genuine and sincere - and, free from an improper or hypocritical mixture -- and undefiled before God (God's opinion, not ours). Note: James doesn't say there is nothing else essential to religion; but seems to be saying that true religion is demonstrated in life's actions and choices. It would show itself in serving others, in consistency, and in not giving in to the "worldly" (in this example, "worldly" would basically be defined by the New Testament - James' "religion").

    If a religion uses a standard as their basis (the example being the Catholic church referenced above and the Bible), and then doesn't abide by their own standard (they say it's God given, but they don't follow it), haven't they proved themselves false? It amazes me how many "religions" do this. "We believe the Bible is the one and only perfect God's word", but "we don't follow it or really even know what it says". Christianity is certainly not the only religion to have been defiled similarly.
    Religion has the ability to turn good men in to bad men. That's why atheism is the best. How many atheists have flied planes in to buildings?

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Religion has the ability to turn good men in to bad men. That's why atheism is the best. How many atheists have flied planes in to buildings?
    Uhhh....uhhh....
    As an atheist, I'm ashamed that this kind of argument was made in defense of atheism
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Many of the the wars we have are caused by religion. Religion is the root of all evil in the world. Its also an excuse for intolerance. We have a church that says its okay to be a pedophile but not gay. Most happy countries tend to be atheist/agnostic.
    "Religion is the root of all evil in the world"

    "Many of the wars we have are caused by religion"


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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Religion has the ability to turn good men in to bad men. That's why atheism is the best. How many atheists have flied planes in to buildings?
    Bad men have the ability to turn good religion into something bad. Weak men have the ability to turn bad religion into something horrible.

    Atheism is the essentially the religion of the intentionally non-religious (one has to choose to believe nothing as much as one has to choose to believe something) and, as such, can be corrupted by bad or weak men just as easily. There are plenty of examples atheists committing haneous acts - maybe not in the name of atheism, but certainly in the name of communism, etc.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I think the use of the word cult means whatever the user intends if to mean. To use an anecdotal explanation, one of Richmond's oldest churches split over the sole issue of whether the use of musical instruments with the singing was permissible. I have heard those that stayed refer to those that left as a cult.
    We have dictionary's for a reason. If someone does not know the actual meaning, it is on them.

    The word cult simply means devotion to something, that's it.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We have dictionary's for a reason. If someone does not know the actual meaning, it is on them.

    The word cult simply means devotion to something, that's it.
    True, but dictionaries do not determine definitions, rather definitions are determined by usage and documented by dictionaries. A dictionary from a hundred years ago has different definitions than those of today.

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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    True, but dictionaries do not determine definitions, rather definitions are determined by usage and documented by dictionaries. A dictionary from a hundred years ago has different definitions than those of today.
    And yet "cult" still means what the dictionary says it means today. So I have to say no. If a user could take any word and make it mean what they want, it would be very hard to communicate...

    The Post office is a cult.
    Why do you say that?
    Because cult means what I want it to mean.
    Ummmmm?

    It does not work that way,
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are all religions cults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And yet "cult" still means what the dictionary says it means today. So I have to say no. If a user could take any word and make it mean what they want, it would be very hard to communicate...

    The Post office is a cult.
    Why do you say that?
    Because cult means what I want it to mean.
    Ummmmm?

    It does not work that way,
    If I use cult to define the post office today, then, yes, your scenario would be correct. However if society as a whole likes my defining the PO as a cult and begins using the term, it would soon be accepted as common language and the dictionaries would reflect that.

    If words did not change meaning, there would be no reason for revisions of dictionaries, yet the Oxford English Dictionary in September redefined over 1500 words. Among them: base, black, color, letter, and value, (from their site), all common words for which, by your standards, would have no need for new definitions.

    As for communication being difficult if words change meaning, grab a copy of The Canterbury Tales in original old English, or Olde, as Chaucer would say, and compare it to a "translated" version of today. It is reasonably certain that most would be more comfortable with today's version.

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