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  • Yes higher education is a must!

    12 37.50%
  • No most people got to college to party or put off real work!

    1 3.13%
  • Its a great life experience

    3 9.38%
  • Schools should be focusing a lot more on apprenticeships rather than sending everyone to college

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    Re: Higher Education?

    A Tale Of Two Sons

    Son #1:
    Since he was a child, he has been fascinated with all things military. When he was ten, I took him and his brother to a local air show. We visited a display of WWII equipment. He astounded the people at the display by spouting off specs about various weapons from both sides. He even discussed the usefulness of the various weapons in relation to others. He participated in Army JROTC all four years of high school and did quite well in terms of awards and promotions. There is only one thing preventing him from a career in the military: he is deaf in one ear. While his academic grades were in the A and B realm, he had to work his ass off to get them...math was his nemesis. He's good with his hands and is able to understand systems...be it mechanical or electrical. He has had an upper level gaming computer since he was 16 and has never bought a computer from a store or paid anyone to rebuild, upgrade or repair his. He's now 21 and he has never considered college. He has a job and is considering what he wants to do with his life.

    Son #2:
    Since he was introduced to the clarinet in the fourth grade, he has always known that music will be a major part of his life. He is one of those people who find academics...especially math and science...very easy to understand. He's achieved straight A's without having to break a sweat. He briefly considered a career in the physical sciences, but his love of music has trumped that. He also found, during high school, that he has a knack...and an enjoyment...in helping others become better musicians. For him, secondary education and beyond has always been a given. For him to proceed in his field it is a requirement. He's 18 and a Freshman in college this year.


    The message to be taken from my tale is that it depends on the person whether secondary education is a good thing or not. It is more important to find your passion and do whatever is necessary to make it a part of your life. It is also more important to develop useful character traits such as determination, thoughtfulness and work ethic. Both of my sons would lesser young men without these traits.


    btw, I didn't respond to the poll because there wasn't an option to match my opinion.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    to OP:

    You don't exactly need to go to college. As long as you have the intelligence of what you are trying to accomplish and have a drive to accomplish it, if not then you need to go to college.

    Successful people who never finished school: The College Dropouts Hall of Fame: Famous college dropouts, successful college dropouts, and rich college dropouts

    I love their motto:
    I'm a firm believer that most college students would be better off dropping out of school and investing the money they now spend on college. Then take the four years they would have spent on college and travel, work, play, and spend time with smart people talking about important things. It would be your choice on what's important, not a professor, not a dean, not a faculty committee.
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    3. In fact, you could probably make more money if you invested your tuition.
    Put $160,000--the approximate cost of a Harvard education--into municipal bonds that pay a conservative 5%, and you'll have saved more than $500,000 in 30 years. That's far more than the average college grad will accumulate in the same amount of time.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    I've seen creative genius work in college grads, and in high school grads. It all depends on what your idea is, if you feel you need further training or not (and if so what kind), and how you want to live your life. Higher education is worth it if it harmonizes with your plans, but in my college days I saw too many people who were there because they thought a degree would be their silver platter to financial success.

    Unless a high school graduate is dead set on what they want to do and it seems to be calling to them, I think it's better to take time off between high school and university to get life experience. With the price of college being what it is, you can afford to do some travelling without paying as much money, or do volunteer work - anything to help you grow experientially. I consider all of those things "higher education", not just college.

    Higher education is a philosophy of living. It's steeping yourself in deeper learning of some kind; but that can take on many forms. If it's not something you really feel called to do, then don't engage with it or you'll just feel bored.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Makes sense. But, obviously this path is what you find rewarding (whether financially, intellectually, emotionally, etc.) I try to tell my students that it is much more important to find your "niche" and to make yourself "marketable" in order to fill that place. It seems that we've attached "independent wealth" indiscriminantly to the idea of "success" in our society. There are many, many great paying jobs that don't require a higher degree, but rather, require specialized skills, training, and/or work experience. My Dad is a classic example. He NEVER attended a college. He was trained as an electrician in the US Navy. Upon leaving the military at age 26, he began working as a commercial electrician's apprentice where he broadened his skills in the trade and gained valuable work experence. By age 36 he started his own Electrical Service Company. By age 40, he was making over $300,000 a year and had a crew of 6 electricians working under him. By age 45 he'd had at least one year where he'd cleared half-a-million, and was routinely bidding, $10 million to $50 million construction projects. By age 50 he'd worked all over the world, from helping to design and wire water purification plants in Egypt to rennovating power and communication grids in Diego Garcia and South Korea.

    He loved his work. He was good at it. He made some pretty good money doing it. He accomplished a great deal in his field, gained a great deal of experience and respect and......................did it all without a college degree. Funny thing is.......come hail or high water, he was bound and determined that I, his oldest son, would get a college degree. In retrospect, I suppose I'm glad he pushed me to do it.
    In college I learned a bunch of useful stuff that never directly related to ‘turning the wrench at work’. But your story about your father starting his ‘electrician’ business is too close to an actual event of mine. Our extended family had an electrician wiring a basement improvement. I was helping a bit; I’m an engineer not an electrician. He was wiring two circuits, to outlets, with a single common to a split point, but he wasn’t using a ganged circuit breaker, and circuits were on the same side of the 220. Therefore the common easily could be overloaded by double. I explained and drew pictures to show him the error was making. He claimed that he was doing it correctly which I took to indicate that he had made this error many times. He finally called the company owner and after a bit they realized that it was an ‘error’. I helped him pull a second common. So in this case it was a college educated engineer that was never trained in house wiring correcting the OJT electrician that had passed the testes required in IL. It was the indepth understanding of a college education that prevented a common error by a trained ellectrician.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Is it "worth it"? Apparently you are referring to money. It depends on the degree. With the degree it then depends on effort, timing and luck. A masters opens many more doors and depending on the degree usually promises less grunt work and more money. On the other hand if you have a passion for mastering a subject and learning, if you wish to add a depth of richness to your life experience, a college degree and graduate school are worth every minute and dollar.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I wanted to get your thoughts on how important you think going to University is?
    My wife is about to finish her masters and is hopefully going to get a half decent job too reward her hard work, her coming to a finish as got me thinking should I go and get my degree? I got good grades at school but decided to join the army instead of going to uni, I used my experience in the Army and my good school grades to land myself a pretty decent job. However I feel a lot of pressure to go and get my degree because most of my freinds and peers have theirs and in todays society it is almost expected that you have a degree. I look at a lot of my freinds who have degrees and I would say 70% of them have done nothing with them and it makes me wonder " why all this expectation"?
    Is the fact we are almsot forcing out kids to go to college playing a big factor in our ineffective workforce and is it costing us thousands of blue collar jobs? Obviously for some professions you need the degree doctor etc, but are the rest of us going to college for all the wrong reasons?
    Your thoughts?
    my oldest son dropped out of college, got a tech certificate to work on HVAC systems. he is making $40/hr
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