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    Re: Higher Education?

    higher education and continuous lifelong learning are as essential to the brain as exercise is for the body. neglect either, and overall health, success, and quality of life will diminish.

    in my opinion, too many people look at college simply as job training. it is that, but it's also a lot more.

    the analogy i like to use is that a football player is never going to do a bench press or a curl during the game. but if he hasn't done weight training, his performance will suffer significantly. education is a very similar concept.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    higher education and continuous lifelong learning are as essential to the brain as exercise is for the body. neglect either, and overall health, success, and quality of life will diminish.

    in my opinion, too many people look at college simply as job training. it is that, but it's also a lot more.

    the analogy i like to use is that a football player is never going to do a bench press or a curl during the game. but if he hasn't done weight training, his performance will suffer significantly. education is a very similar concept.
    On the other hand, it could be like a guy doing bench presses and curls to get on the team, only to find he didn't make the cut, and the only openings there are is the Math Club.

    Oops.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    On the other hand, it could be like a guy doing bench presses and curls to get on the team, only to find he didn't make the cut, and the only openings there are is the Math Club.

    Oops.
    even in this case, he will still benefit from weightlifting in many other parts of his life.

    and as a former football player, i'd have to say that math club wins hands down.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    A lot of material learned through university can be learned on the job, with much better results and at a fraction of the cost.
    To me, in a lot of cases, it's a waste of time and resources, but that is how the world currently works.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    Its only worth it if we wish the US to be competitive in the future world market. I would imagine in years past it was said, is secondary education worth it?

    That being said there is nothing wrong with someone choosing a trade school as an alternative to college, if it is in a field that will be in demand in this country in the future.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A lot of material learned through university can be learned on the job, with much better results and at a fraction of the cost.
    To me, in a lot of cases, it's a waste of time and resources, but that is how the world currently works.
    My daughter was working in her field before while she getting her BS. After several years working she returned to school for her masters and she just got it. Her education could not be duplicated at work, not even close, for her current position. My college & university education in the 60ís and 70ís allowed me to differentiate myself from my peers and get promotions, e.g. I achieved and deserved the title Architect in the computer field. I was in the USAF from 68 to 72 and attended 46 weeks and then 20 weeks more of technical training, but I assisted in teaching the classes many times because the instructors didnít really understand the subject from a higher level. As a result my college education I could fix USAF problems in the field that no one else could, no one else had the appropriate higher level education. So our experience indicates that you are incorrect.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    My daughter was working in her field before while she getting her BS. After several years working she returned to school for her masters and she just got it. Her education could not be duplicated at work, not even close, for her current position. My college & university education in the 60ís and 70ís allowed me to differentiate myself from my peers and get promotions, e.g. I achieved and deserved the title Architect in the computer field. I was in the USAF from 68 to 72 and attended 46 weeks and then 20 weeks more of technical training, but I assisted in teaching the classes many times because the instructors didnít really understand the subject from a higher level. As a result my college education I could fix USAF problems in the field that no one else could, no one else had the appropriate higher level education. So our experience indicates that you are incorrect.[/SIZE]
    Your experience does not make it untrue.
    The fact is the the education system is filled with lots of time wasters and doesn't always get to the meat of the material needed to complete a task.

    If your daughter's education could not be duplicated at work, then it may well have been, useless the material/theory/practice was entirely new to the field of work, but even then that doesn't mean that it could of only been obtained through an educational institution.

    If your instructors didn't understand material, as well as you did, what was the value of that education?
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    Re: Higher Education?

    Missing far too much on that poll to make it good to respond to the poll itself.

    As to college/university, it all depends on what you plan to do. It's not always a good idea, and it's certainly not always a good idea to spend a lot up front on it.

    For children really good early education through high school IMO would take priority over university. People go back to college all their life. You can't ever replace that early childhood learning.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    For certain credentialed professions, such as being a lawyer, teacher, engineer, doctor, etc yes. Especially in jobs with liability concerns where formal credentials are taken into account for legal questions.
    For more trade type jobs, such as IT, accounting, hair cutting, plumbing, etc probably not, but it certainly helps.
    Management, in my opinion No. That is about people skills and being organized mainly, which are character traits.
    For unskilled labor, not at all.

    My job certainly does not require a college degree, even though I put it on there the last time I wrote my job description. I have one though, but I cannot say I use it much. Most of what I know is self taught. Its just a hoop that society makes us jump through. However, even though its a hoop, its a real barrier for a lot of people.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Your experience does not make it untrue.
    The fact is the the education system is filled with lots of time wasters and doesn't always get to the meat of the material needed to complete a task.

    If your daughter's education could not be duplicated at work, then it may well have been, useless the material/theory/practice was entirely new to the field of work, but even then that doesn't mean that it could of only been obtained through an educational institution.

    If your instructors didn't understand material, as well as you did, what was the value of that education?
    Sorry I wasnít clear enough. Since I worked in teams I got to know who was knowledgeable, i.e. educated by some process that had some breadth and depth, and who was just trained to do the job, i.e. in a tech school or on the job. I commented on myself and my daughter as examples where training to do what is necessary on the job is not available on the job. The people that are trained on the job or for a specific job function generally do not get the education that supports exception conditions or unexpected changes in the job.
    Let me address one misconception you have where I wasnít very clear. The teachers for the 66 weeks of USAF technical schools I went to had training on how to conduct classes, i.e. be a teacher and the material in the classes they taught. What Iím saying is that the value of the training was very low because they were trained only for the specific task (class) they were responsible for (taught). They did not understand the anything but the class material. So Iíll give you one of many examples of what happened on the job. This is in a big 1960ís redundant computer system in in its own large block house. One computer is failing, but all diagnostics pass. Boards are swapped out and back in wholesale. Eventually, more than 24 hours, that bad board is found and the computer is fixed. The diag didnít find it, oh well. Because of my education Iím the only one that gets the diag code out and finds the incorrect instruction in the diag that prevented the detection of the failure and 31 other boards just like it. Then we could load the test, change one memory location to the proper branch instruction and actually find a bad board in the future. I took one programing class at a university before ending up in the USAF and it worked many times even though the language was not the same the concepts were.

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