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  • Yes higher education is a must!

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  • No most people got to college to party or put off real work!

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  • Its a great life experience

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  • Schools should be focusing a lot more on apprenticeships rather than sending everyone to college

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Depends what you want to do. I want to be an engineer, so yes a BA is mandatory. I have to graduate from an accredited program and also pass the FE to become an engineer in training. Then you have to work for 4 years under a professional engineer to earn the chance to take the PE and get certified yourself. You can work for some smaller companies or in some side fields without being an EIT but you are not really getting anywhere if you don't attend college. Plus, college is a great place to get your internships which eventually will turn into jobs for many people, especially for engineers. Its what I am doing now, and I think I will get hired where I am interning after I graduate, though I will also apply at other places to get the best offer possible. If you want to be an electrician as someone was saying above, you would obviously not go to college and would instead work as an apprentice to get your journeyman's and go from there, I actually almost took this route myself working for one for 4 years in high school. It just depends upon what you want to do what type of education you should get.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Sadly unless you want to learn how to be a whacked out Liberal follower a College education is worth about the same as the 8th grade of 40 years ago.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Your thoughts?
    If you can not find a successful decent paying job with your college degree then that college degree is not only worthless but a huge waste of your time and who ever's money that was used to send you to college.

    Personally I think if we are going to spend money on education after highschool then that education should be for what ever there is a big employer demand for and what will have decent pay. It does no good to have someone being in debt for decades in debt if that degree they are getting won't get them a job or won't get the higher paying job. So basically schools should be focusing on what there is a high demand for that pays good. College for personal enrichment is something no tax payer should pay for.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    I think for many people, it is stunningly true: they are being unnecessarily shifted to the traditional university rather than direct training to be professionals that we rely on everyday, that can make significant salaries.

    But, from the area of society I am from, the opposite was true, or worse. For many students in special education or those covered in emotional disturbance, the shift was always on the lowest tier of jobs and if you were lucky, educate them to be those professionals we rely on that can make them a great living. Hardly any dialogue whatsoever is to discuss the traditional university or graduate study for these students. For many of these students, their disability or emotional problems would not prevent them from marching in that direction, but the expectations are or were so low, that the lowest tier of jobs was what was mostly focused in on. It was like the best one (a special education educator) could hope for was if they could somehow make it through any ordinary job interview or maybe be able to balance one's checkbook (or similar education in a post-check society). The push simply isn't there for those students who could benefit from a more focused academic setting.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    I believe college is a must today if your going to make a decent living...the days of being able to afford the basics as a working person are gone...the corps stole that off americans out of greed.
    Unfortunately everyone cant get to college or are capable of succeeding in college for a variety of reasons...if you can go back and get your degree for sure

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    Re: Higher Education?

    [QUOTE=Fiddytree;1059921679]I think for many people, it is stunningly true: they are being unnecessarily shifted to the traditional university rather than direct training to be professionals that we rely on everyday, that can make significant salaries.

    But, from the area of society I am from, the opposite was true, or worse. For many students in special education or those covered in emotional disturbance, the shift was always on the lowest tier of jobs and if you were lucky, educate them to be those professionals we rely on that can make them a great living. Hardly any dialogue whatsoever is to discuss the traditional university or graduate study for these students. For many of these students, their disability or emotional problems would not prevent them from marching in that direction, but the expectations are or were so low, that the lowest tier of jobs was what was mostly focused in on. It was like the best one (a special education educator) could hope for was if they could somehow make it through any ordinary job interview or maybe be able to balance one's checkbook (or similar education in a post-check society). The push simply isn't there for those students who could benefit from a more focused academic setting.[/QUOTE]Emphasis is mine.

    I have a feeling that I know what you are going to do after you graduate. Someone told me long ago: "Find a niche and fill it." It sounds like you've found your niche. Good on you.

    This brings up a point not yet mentioned, so I'll give it the 'ol college try.

    Kids are much more sure of what they want to be when they grow up at age eight than they are at age 18. Undeclared major is OK for a year or two, but the sooner a person can focus on the outcome the better off they will be. Picking a path to follow, or lead, through a majority of your adult years is a monumental task for most young adults. Those who can make a clear decision will generally outshine their counterparts.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    I'd like to see a strong apprenticeship program developed in the US, similar to the one in Germany. I know there are technical schools and some company apprenticeships, but I don't know of a strong system that coordinates with high schools to develop a curriculum that readies them for an apprenticeship.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'd like to see a strong apprenticeship program developed in the US, similar to the one in Germany. I know there are technical schools and some company apprenticeships, but I don't know of a strong system that coordinates with high schools to develop a curriculum that readies them for an apprenticeship.
    I'd like that too.

    I'd also like businesses to provide scholarship programs so they can promote from within and garner better employee loyalty. Basically the corporate version of a "mustang officer".
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Funny my 10 y/o ask me this question some time ago. And I ending up giving him three options 1. Go college, 2. join the military. 3. or go to trade school, and boy we need a plumber in the family
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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidgaf View Post
    Funny my 10 y/o ask me this question some time ago. And I ending up giving him three options 1. Go college, 2. join the military. 3. or go to trade school, and boy we need a plumber in the family
    If I did it all over again, I would have skipped the military (though it did give me lots of useful experience and training I've used in life) and would have done the trade school route. The plumber I have and who has since become a friend of mine does insanely well for himself. He's self employed, makes very very good money and now picks and chooses what jobs he personally wants to get involved with. He hires and trains other plumbers to work for him and he treats them very well. Full benefits, dental, healthcare...and he's always busy.
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