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    Re: Higher Education?

    Whether college is worth it or not depends entirely on what one is studying and why he/she wants to study that subject.

    If you're someone who believes that knowledge and understanding of the world is more important to a happy life than money and success, then it's worth it. If you're pursuing a major in most maths/science fields, it's worth it if you're earning good grades and can get work/research experience at your university, and still often worth it if you're not and can't. If you're pursuing a major intending to attend a graduate/post-graduate program (law, medicine, etc.) and you're someone actually capable of achieving such a high level degree (meaning you're a nearly straight A student), then it's worth it.

    It's certainly less clear in other scenarios, and I suppose whether college is worth it for most depends on whether our job market requires employees to have degrees or not. In my experience, a business that requires employees to have a college degree does so mostly because of a belief that the college educated have a higher quality floor than those with only a GED/high school diploma, not because performing the duties of that employee's job is impossible without a degree. Take a brief glance at our economy and you'll see plenty of successful salespeople/entrepreneurs who never graduated from college, but the perceived risk in hiring someone uneducated means that getting a job is likely much easier with a degree.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I can tell you that the postal service does not require college degrees to be successful. The district manager of the Cincinnati District has 13,000 people working under her and she is an immigrant with no degree. IN fact some of the top executives in the area don't have college.

    now that is not rule for most management positions but the USPS gives lots of preferences to veterans though I believe you noted you served in the UK?
    Yeh British Army but fortunately for me my boss was an US army vet and appreciated my experience and gave me the job. If not for that I think I might of stuggled to get a well paid job and may have been forced into college.

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    University Degrees are a scam, plain and simple. In the US, we've convinced ourselves that getting a Bachelor's Degree is a must if you want to attain success? Really? Define "success". Does this mean making a million dollars before you're 25? Six-figure income? Management position with loads of responsibility? Respect among you peers and co-workers? Having a job that could make you heroic in the eyes of the public? Having a position which enables you to quietly influence countless others and their decisions? A job that is self-rewarding but not necessarily financially so? A combination of these? And on and on..... Find your own definition of "success", and you'll find the answer to the question in the OP. Is a University Degree worth the time and money? I suppose it's all kind of relative, isn't it?

    So, back to my initial point. We've convinced ourselves that a college degree is essential to achieving "success" and we tell our kids this. Sadly, the Universities themselves are the biggest propagandists in this whole scenario. You see, ultimately, the Universities could really care less if you are working fervently on a degree in a particular field in which you have a snowball's chance in hell of landing a job in. The University could care less if you change your major sixteen times before your sophomore year. Whether the tuition payments come from Mom and Dad's retirement fund, federal grant, or subsidized/unsubsidized student loans.....they're going to get their money. Degree programs and professorships/fellowships are justified by enrollment numbers. It's all just a "numbers" game to them.

    How many young people graduate from a University with a Bachelor's Degree in General Studies, Business, International Studies, Family Dynamics, Creative Writing, or some other useless field, thousands of dollars in debt from student loans, and unable to get ANY job that pays much more than minimum wage? I teach High School kids, and I'm sad to say that I've seen it happen to entirely too many of them. EVERY University should make career counseling a MUST.....but they don't.......I wonder why not?
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    Re: Higher Education?

    I'm wanting to be in academia, so for me it is a natural fit.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I wanted to get your thoughts on how important you think going to University is?
    My wife is about to finish her masters and is hopefully going to get a half decent job too reward her hard work, her coming to a finish as got me thinking should I go and get my degree? I got good grades at school but decided to join the army instead of going to uni, I used my experience in the Army and my good school grades to land myself a pretty decent job. However I feel a lot of pressure to go and get my degree because most of my freinds and peers have theirs and in todays society it is almost expected that you have a degree. I look at a lot of my freinds who have degrees and I would say 70% of them have done nothing with them and it makes me wonder " why all this expectation"?
    Is the fact we are almsot forcing out kids to go to college playing a big factor in our ineffective workforce and is it costing us thousands of blue collar jobs? Obviously for some professions you need the degree doctor etc, but are the rest of us going to college for all the wrong reasons?
    Your thoughts?
    I beg you not to go to university because you feel pressured to.

    Anybody who goes to university must go because they want to.

    Otherwise, you're not really going to care how well you do, and therefore are more likely to fail, and therefore more likely to waste your money.

    Now, I will say that statistics show that college graduates are 1) more likely to be employed and 2) more likely to earn higher income. So it would be a good idea for people to go to university.

    But people should only go if they feel ready for it. If not, it's just a waste of time and money, and most people can't afford either of that.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    im not not in college, my wife is majoring in intelligence studies. You cant learn things you want to learn by reading books?
    My mistake. I read that you were not yet in college, the but the point is still the same. I don't know anything about intelligence studies, so will not comment. If there is a market for the skills, then the market will decide the value of the degree.

    As to the learning from the books, I am 73 years old, no degree, and have learned from books all my life. Today due to the internet research is so much easier. I can learn more on a given subject in the time I can drive to the library than I can after obtaining the book. Either way, go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'm wanting to be in academia, so for me it is a natural fit.
    Makes sense. But, obviously this path is what you find rewarding (whether financially, intellectually, emotionally, etc.) I try to tell my students that it is much more important to find your "niche" and to make yourself "marketable" in order to fill that place. It seems that we've attached "independent wealth" indiscriminantly to the idea of "success" in our society. There are many, many great paying jobs that don't require a higher degree, but rather, require specialized skills, training, and/or work experience. My Dad is a classic example. He NEVER attended a college. He was trained as an electrician in the US Navy. Upon leaving the military at age 26, he began working as a commercial electrician's apprentice where he broadened his skills in the trade and gained valuable work experence. By age 36 he started his own Electrical Service Company. By age 40, he was making over $300,000 a year and had a crew of 6 electricians working under him. By age 45 he'd had at least one year where he'd cleared half-a-million, and was routinely bidding, $10 million to $50 million construction projects. By age 50 he'd worked all over the world, from helping to design and wire water purification plants in Egypt to rennovating power and communication grids in Diego Garcia and South Korea.

    He loved his work. He was good at it. He made some pretty good money doing it. He accomplished a great deal in his field, gained a great deal of experience and respect and......................did it all without a college degree. Funny thing is.......come hail or high water, he was bound and determined that I, his oldest son, would get a college degree. In retrospect, I suppose I'm glad he pushed me to do it.
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    Re: Higher Education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    im not not in college, my wife is majoring in intelligence studies. You cant learn things you want to learn by reading books?
    I'm in the 2 field. I can see where having a MA in that would directly impact my work - and in places where it does so, I can only heartily endorse continuing education. As far as a BA is concerned, it's a credential - unless you are going to a top tier school, it almost doesn't matter where you get it. For the vast majority of kids who go to school, the actual training they receive isn't worth the cost. You're an adult with discipline, so you're already ahead of the curve of the 18 year old kid - large percentages of whom drop out or take too long to get degrees. I would recommend knocking it out, but recognizing that unless you craft your studies to a particular job field, you are basically spending a bunch of money getting a resume bullet point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Makes sense. But, obviously this path is what you find rewarding (whether financially, intellectually, emotionally, etc.) I try to tell my students that it is much more important to find your "niche" and to make yourself "marketable" in order to fill that place. It seems that we've attached "independent wealth" indiscriminantly to the idea of "success" in our society. There are many, many great paying jobs that don't require a higher degree, but rather, require specialized skills, training, and/or work experience. My Dad is a classic example. He NEVER attended a college. He was trained as an electrician in the US Navy. Upon leaving the military at age 26, he began working as a commercial electrician's apprentice where he broadened his skills in the trade and gained valuable work experence. By age 36 he started his own Electrical Service Company. By age 40, he was making over $300,000 a year and had a crew of 6 electricians working under him. By age 45 he'd had at least one year where he'd cleared half-a-million, and was routinely bidding, $10 million to $50 million construction projects. By age 50 he'd worked all over the world, from helping to design and wire water purification plants in Egypt to rennovating power and communication grids in Diego Garcia and South Korea.

    He loved his work. He was good at it. He made some pretty good money doing it. He accomplished a great deal in his field, gained a great deal of experience and respect and......................did it all without a college degree. Funny thing is.......come hail or high water, he was bound and determined that I, his oldest son, would get a college degree. In retrospect, I suppose I'm glad he pushed me to do it.
    so sad that your father is an evil rich person - doesn't he feel guilty for all the poverty he created by being productive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so sad that your father is an evil rich person - doesn't he feel guilty for all the poverty he created by being productive?
    Sarcasm noted. I don't ever remember "guilt" being one of his strongest emotions.
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