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Thread: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

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    The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    My question is pretty simple and straight-forward. We ALL know there have been many terrorist attacks on American soil. Is it irrational/weak-minded/stupid to not even have a slight fear/vigilance about Muslims in America? I am NOT talking about signs/propaganda/that sort of stuff. Merely, an internal awareness that "hey, radical Muslims have been killing people and there's a lot of Muslims who haven't harmed/killed people who sympathize with them." As a kid, I learned that being bit by a cat made one a bit wary, internally of cats. Don't even try to say I'm comparing Muslims to cats because I'll call you out on that BS. It is human behavior to have an internal wariness/vigilance after being attacked/hurt from certain, past things. Some blacks distrust white people today because of slavery and other atrocities in the past. Some people have a wariness of Christians because some atrocities/killings have happened under Christianity. The same goes for communists/socialists/capitalists. Are people wrong to be even a bit wary internally about certain people who have in their group other people who have committed murders?

    Take the Juan Williams example. He was fired because he simply said he felt wary being on a plane with a Muslim in garb. You could say he was an idiot, or you may be an idiot for forgetting that at least four planes went down by Muslim extremists. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying all Muslims are bad and I'm not saying people should put up signs and propaganda showing their intense fear. All I'm saying is that it is human nature to distrust a subset of people who has another group within the same set who has caused much evil---radical Muslims.

    There are some liberals in this world who would say, right after 9/11, that you must forget and better not be afraid or wary. They have no comprehension of the pain inflicted during such events. Whenever a person of such liberal ideology tries to use the PC-BS to smear me, I feel like back-handing them (not physically) in regards to discussion. I am tired of being told how to think. Tired of being told not to be wise and remember. Tired of being told to forget the past only to relive it over and over and over again.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    What Juan Williams said was absolutely rational and not idiotic at all! As we all know, Muslim terrorists LOVE to call attention to themselves in airports by dressing in colorful Islamic garb. They absolutely can't resist the challenge of sneaking bombs onto commercial aircraft while everyone else eyes them suspiciously.

    Wake, why don't you follow your username and WAKE THE **** UP. It is not irrational to be wary of extremist Muslims who preach hate against America. It's absolutely irrational to be wary of an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. But pointing that out is just liberal claptrap, I suppose
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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Makes me wonder why so many on the left can say it's irrational to even have a mere shred of wise vigilance yet some of those same liberals distrust the religious, Wall Street, gun owners, and the south, etc.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Makes me wonder why so many on the left can say it's irrational to even have a mere shred of wise vigilance yet some of those same liberals distrust the religious, Wall Street, gun owners, and the south, etc.
    Making idiotic generalizations while accusing others of generalizing. Gotta love it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Making idiotic generalizations while accusing others of generalizing. Gotta love it.
    When I use a qualifier, the general statements are true. Some liberals do distrust Wall Street, etc. I believe there is a double standard.

    There is nothing idiotic about my statements. If I used absolutes then it would be.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    My question is pretty simple and straight-forward. We ALL know there have been many terrorist attacks on American soil. Is it irrational/weak-minded/stupid to not even have a slight fear/vigilance about Muslims in America? I am NOT talking about signs/propaganda/that sort of stuff. Merely, an internal awareness that "hey, radical Muslims have been killing people and there's a lot of Muslims who haven't harmed/killed people who sympathize with them." As a kid, I learned that being bit by a cat made one a bit wary, internally of cats. Don't even try to say I'm comparing Muslims to cats because I'll call you out on that BS. It is human behavior to have an internal wariness/vigilance after being attacked/hurt from certain, past things. Some blacks distrust white people today because of slavery and other atrocities in the past. Some people have a wariness of Christians because some atrocities/killings have happened under Christianity. The same goes for communists/socialists/capitalists. Are people wrong to be even a bit wary internally about certain people who have in their group other people who have committed murders?

    Take the Juan Williams example. He was fired because he simply said he felt wary being on a plane with a Muslim in garb. You could say he was an idiot, or you may be an idiot for forgetting that at least four planes went down by Muslim extremists. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying all Muslims are bad and I'm not saying people should put up signs and propaganda showing their intense fear. All I'm saying is that it is human nature to distrust a subset of people who has another group within the same set who has caused much evil---radical Muslims.

    There are some liberals in this world who would say, right after 9/11, that you must forget and better not be afraid or wary. They have no comprehension of the pain inflicted during such events. Whenever a person of such liberal ideology tries to use the PC-BS to smear me, I feel like back-handing them (not physically) in regards to discussion. I am tired of being told how to think. Tired of being told not to be wise and remember. Tired of being told to forget the past only to relive it over and over and over again.
    Personally, I'm wary of human beings in general. Anyone who crosses your path is a potential whacko. I think it's stupid to not be on guard to some degree.

    So I don't think it's wrong to be wary per se, so long as it's not expressed in your behavior. Even minute behavior like cringing, glaring, or narrowing the eyes around Muslims is betraying and certain distrust or dislike. This isn't fair to Muslims who've done no harm.
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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    ...Wake, why don't you follow your username and WAKE THE **** UP. It is not irrational to be wary of extremist Muslims who preach hate against America. It's absolutely irrational to be wary of an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. But pointing that out is just liberal claptrap, I suppose
    1.5 billion Muslims and we should fear ALL of them?

    that's just being paranoid, irrational, ignorant, and bigoted.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    When I use a qualifier, the general statements are true. Some liberals do distrust Wall Street, etc. I believe there is a double standard....
    you are comparing Wall Street....to 1.5 billion Muslims?

    this makes zero sense.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Personally, I'm wary of human beings in general. Anyone who crosses your path is a potential whacko. I think it's stupid to not be on guard to some degree.

    So I don't think it's wrong to be wary per se, so long as it's not expressed in your behavior. Even minute behavior like cringing, glaring, or narrowing the eyes around Muslims is betraying and certain distrust or dislike. This isn't fair to Muslims who've done no harm.
    This I agree with. If some of those on the left can be so wary of businessmen, then why shouldn't others feel wary of other people, like Muslims? I have met some liberals who are truly wary of the religious, and I have met some with only a bit of wariness. The kind of wariness I speak of is wariness that is not even visible; just a mere fragment of wariness in your mind.

    I wonder why some on the left state that I can't even have a non-discernable fragment of wariness, yet those same people undoubtedly have such same fragments, if even worse.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you are comparing Wall Street....to 1.5 billion Muslims?

    this makes zero sense.
    Do not twist my words, again.

    Wall Street is used to describe businessmen and capitalists.

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