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The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

Is it irrational/bigoted to have a slight wariness of Muslims?

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Wake said:
Of course you would. You're you.

Do you trust all:

~ Hillbillies?
~ Rightwingers?
~ Gun rights activists?
~ Anti-abortionists?
~ Tea Partiers?
~ The Religious Right?
~ Christians?
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Not trusting the entirety of a group is not evidence of distrusting someone because they are in the group.

I doubt I'd trust ever rightwinger, pro-lifer, etc., but my distrust would be because of their individuality NOT because of the group they belong to. There is NO rational reason to distrust Muslims because they are Muslim.
 
Wake said:
I said I think it is delusional to have to have complete---%100---trust in a whole group of people.
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The delicious irony is you are making one of my favorite arguments against the people who wrote and compiled the books of the Bible. Please continue to talk about how it is delusional to have 100% trust in a group of people.
 
theplaydrive said:
...There is NO rational reason to distrust Muslims because they are Muslim.
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I am wary of people based on their actions, their speech, and sometimes their dress.

If I see a skinhead Nazi walking down the street, damn right I'm gonna be a little worried.

But someone wearing a Kufi or some other piece of Muslim garb, or Jewish garb, or Mormom garb, or Mennonite garb? there is no logical, rational, nor intelligent reason to be suspicious of them.
 
There are some liberals in this world who would say, right after 9/11, that you must forget and better not be afraid or wary. They have no comprehension of the pain inflicted during such events.
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really? which liberals said this?

that aside, no, it's not irrational or weak minded to NOT fear muslims. some m,uslims commit horrible crimes. some whites commit horrible crimes. do we have to fear everyone? i don't think so. i think being aware is fine, but fear? i don't want to live my life in fear.
 
CriticalThought said:
The delicious irony is you are making one of my favorite arguments against the people who wrote and compiled the books of the Bible. Please continue to talk about how it is delusional to have 100% trust in a group of people.
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I have stated before that I don't have complete trust in Christians, either, AEB the Norway shooting, deaths of abortionists, Inquisition, molestations of children by Catholic priests, the verse in the NT about the killing of homosexuals, etc.

Do you argue that if I completely trusts Muslims, that I must also completely trust Christians and Scientologists?
 
Wake said:
...There are some liberals in this world who would say, right after 9/11, that you must forget and better not be afraid or wary. They have no comprehension of the pain inflicted during such events.....
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Um, I am a NYer. I breathed in that disgusting yellow air for 3 months. I helped in the recovery effort at GZ. I participated in the 10th Anniversary Memorial Ceremony September 11th, 2011...at Ground Zero.

Please don't tell me I have no comprehension of the pain & suffering caused by the day.
 
liblady said:
really? which liberals said this?

that aside, no, it's not irrational or weak minded to NOT fear muslims. some m,uslims commit horrible crimes. some whites commit horrible crimes. do we have to fear everyone? i don't think so. i think being aware is fine, but fear? i don't want to live my life in fear.
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I never said, fear, but vigilance. Vigilance, ----> "aware." I have been told that being aware is irrational. I do not have %100 trust in Muslims/Christians/etc; I am aware/vigilant of them. Yet, that makes me irrational.

I not once EVER mentioned being afraid.
 
Wake said:
...Do you argue that if I completely trusts Muslims, that I must also completely trust Christians and Scientologists?
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what is soo evil about giving all human beings the benefit of the doubt?

its not like we are asking you to trust a guy with explosives taped to his chest.
 
Wake said:
Of course you would. You're you.

Do you trust all:

~ Hillbillies?
~ Rightwingers?
~ Gun rights activists?
~ Anti-abortionists?
~ Tea Partiers?
~ The Religious Right?
~ Christians?
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I don't trust a whole lot of people, but I won't seek to have that mistrust codified into law or something. Perhaps I should be "weary" of all Muslims; but I'm not. I know too many who do not profess any hostility towards me or other Americans or America on the whole. And it all relies on the rationality of the "mistrust". Certainly if it comes through stereotype, it is not very logical. It can have stronger resolve if built upon measurement and statistics. Still, one may be weary of them but it doesn't necessitate action. You can be bit by a cat and thus be distrustful of cats. But the more rational response is to figure out what you did to the cat to encourage it to bite you. Maybe it was unprovoked and you'll have to watch it (though being scared of cats in general would be illogical as it is isolated case, not statistics), but if you were pulling it's tail or kicking it or something of the manner, the more rational response is to curb your behavior which caused the rebuttal.
 
Wake said:
My question is pretty simple and straight-forward. We ALL know there have been many terrorist attacks on American soil. Is it irrational/weak-minded/stupid to not even have a slight fear/vigilance about Muslims in America?...
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Wake said:
I never said, fear, but vigilance....

...I not once EVER mentioned being afraid.
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actually, you DID say fear.
 
Wake said:
I have stated before that I don't have complete trust in Christians, either, AEB the Norway shooting, deaths of abortionists, Inquisition, molestations of children by Catholic priests, the verse in the NT about the killing of homosexuals, etc.

Do you argue that if I completely trusts Muslims, that I must also completely trust Christians and Scientologists?
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Nope. I'm just enjoying being an observer of your cognitive dissonance. Anyone who would argue on one hand that the Bible is the infallible word of God and on the other hand argue that it would be delusional to completely trust the people who wrote and compiled it...is someone I can find quite entertaining.

But that is irrelevant to this thread. Please do tell...how wary and mistrustful should I be of Muslims? We agree that it is okay to be mistrustful of all people to a degree, so what degree of mistrust do you practice towards people who are Muslim? Is it more or less mistrust than you would have in a random fellow Christian?
 
Thunder said:
what is soo evil about giving all human beings the benefit of the doubt?

its not like we are asking you to trust a guy with explosives taped to his chest.
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It's foolish to have complete/absolute trust in a group of people.

Hey, here's a riddle:

During WWII, would you have complete trust in all Germans? How about I tell you you're irrational for having even .0000000000001% awareness of Germans as a whole in America, especially since there were many German/Nazi sympathizers as well.
 
Wake said:
It's foolish to have complete/absolute trust in a group of people.

Hey, here's a riddle:

During WWII, would you have complete trust in all Germans? How about I tell you you're irrational for having even .0000000000001% awareness of Germans as a whole in America, especially since there were many German/Nazi sympathizers as well.
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Maybe not complete trust. But I also wouldn't endorse throwing them into happy fun camps either.
 
Wake said:
...During WWII, would you have complete trust in all Germans?....
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very dishonest & pathetic comparison, as the German people voted for the Nazis in a democratic election and gave them them highest vote of any political party in 1933. Such large-scale messages by a society has consequences.
 
Ikari said:
Maybe not complete trust. But I also wouldn't endorse throwing them into happy fun camps either.
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I don't endorse camps/actions/anything.

Again, my only awareness isn't discernable in the slightest. "/ People who say/think I would put up propaganda/do things are overreacting big-time.
 
Thunder said:
very dishonest & pathetic comparison, as the German people voted for the Nazis in a democratic election and gave them them highest vote of any political party in 1933. Such large-scale messages by a society has consequences.
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No, don't evade it.

Would you trust ALL Germans in the US during WWII with COMPLETE faith?
 
Thunder said:
but you DO endorse people being afraid of Muslims, simply due to 9-11 and other terrorist acts.
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Well, yeah. There's been over 18 terrorist attacks in America due to radical Muslims.

How do you tell which devout Muslims are sympathizers? I daresay you think there are none. So long as there is that question I will always have the shred of awareness in my mind. If Christians had an equal amount of terrorist atacks then it would be the same for them.
 
Thunder said:
I answered your question.
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No, you did not.

Answer this:

Would you trust ALL Germans in the US during WWII with COMPLETE faith?
 
Wake said:
No, you did not.

Answer this:

Would you trust ALL Germans in the US during WWII with COMPLETE faith?
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oh, in the USA?

yes. they are American citizens and they fought against the Nazis bravely.

ever hear of Mr. Dwight Eisenhower? he was of German descent.
 
Wake said:
Well, yeah. There's been over 18 terrorist attacks in America due to radical Muslims.

How do you tell which devout Muslims are sympathizers? I daresay you think there are none. So long as there is that question I will always have the shred of awareness in my mind. If Christians had an equal amount of terrorist atacks then it would be the same for them.
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In America proper? As in the soil of the 50 States only? Over what time frame?
 
Thunder said:
oh, in the USA?

yes. they are American citizens and they fought against the Nazis bravely.

ever hear of Mr. Dwight Eisenhower? he was of German descent.
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No, you still evade it.

Answer this:

Would you trust ALL Germans in the US during WWII with COMPLETE faith?

*At the TIME of WWII, not our present time*
 
Wake said:
No, you still evade it.

Answer this:

Would you trust ALL Germans in the US during WWII with COMPLETE faith?

*At the TIME of WWII, not our present time*
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maybe you didn't understand my answer, so I shall post it again:

yes. they are American citizens and they fought against the Nazis bravely.

ever hear of Mr. Dwight Eisenhower? he was of German descent
 
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