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The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

Is it irrational/bigoted to have a slight wariness of Muslims?

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I don't trust all Muslims. Likewise, I don't trust all Christians. Same with all Republicans/Democrats, Liberals/Conservatives, etc. To argue against my claim you must have complete faith and trust in those groups. Logic demands I am correct. Do you think it logical to trust all large groups? The focus was never just Muslims. The focus is whether or not it is rational to distrust certain groups---to distrust is to not have %100 trust. As said before, to disagree you must have %100 trust.
 
Wake said:
Makes me wonder why so many on the left can say it's irrational to even have a mere shred of wise vigilance yet some of those same liberals distrust the religious, Wall Street, gun owners, and the south, etc.
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I can't speak for everyone on the left, but when I meet someone who is clearly from the deep south . . . and I mean DEEP south . . . I probably assume they are a little ignorant about some things. But I treat still treat them with respect until they actually say something I feel is stupid.

Same thing with Muslims. When I see someone who is obviously muslim on a plane I may feel slightly uncomfortable, that's only natural in this day and age. But I certainly don't make any efforts to make them feel uncomfortable and I definitely don't advocate that all muslims go through special screening or otherwise attempt to legislatively segregate them, just because of their faith. And I certainly wouldn't advocate banning mosques in my neighborhood, any more than I would advocate banning a firing range.
 
Krhazy said:
I can't speak for everyone on the left, but when I meet someone who is clearly from the deep south . . . and I mean DEEP south . . . I probably assume they are a little ignorant about some things. But I treat still treat them with respect until they actually say something I feel is stupid.Same thing with Muslims. When I see someone who is obviously muslim on a plane I may feel slightly uncomfortable, that's only natural in this day and age. But I certainly don't make any efforts to make them feel uncomfortable and I definitely don't advocate that all muslims go through special screening or otherwise attempt to legislatively segregate them, just because of their faith. And I certainly wouldn't advocate banning mosques in my neighborhood, any more than I would advocate banning a firing range.
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I agree absolutely with this. In regards to the bolded parts, the overreactors in this thread would call you bigoted/irrational/hateful/weak-minded/whatever other insults they can pull out of their butts. They think you must trust all such groups completely. I am sick of being called irrational for not subscribing to the irrational notion that you must either have full trust or be deemed a hateful bigot. Such madness needs to stop.
 
No, there is no reason to suspect American Muslims of plotting anything or being dangerous. There is absolutely no statistically significant data to suggest that such people are actually a threat. Don't forget, most terrorist attacks in this country have been carried out by white, Christian, American citizens. But even so, there's not much reason to fear the random people you meet every day. Don't be afraid of things that are almost guaranteed not to happen.
 
There's nothing wrong with being aware of your environment. In fact it's advisable. While in the train station, I suddenly paid close attention when I saw someone walk away from a bag, and it made no difference to me what ethnicity they were. Over-attention to people of one demographic can lead to being blind-sided by a different demographic. So, a general awareness - as long as it doesn't lead to paranoia - is normal and smart.
 
there is no rational, logical, nor intelligent reason to have any suspision of your average Muslim..of being a terrorist.

especially Muslim-Americans.
 
Wake said:
...I do not have complete trust in Muslims because I am wise enough to acknowledge and understand that there are Muslims in the US who sympathize with radical Muslims. It is human nature to be wary. To not trust things---almost everything--with absoluteness. The same goes for government as you have argued in the past that one must trust the government 100%. That is not how the world works. People are not absolutely trusting by nature; when **** hits the fan and hundreds/thousands dies, people have the right to feel a bit f apprehension.
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do you also not completely trust Jews because there are Jews who sympathize with radical Jews?

or do only Muslims get this special treatment?
 
Thunder said:
Its very sad watching people trying to justify & rationalize bigotry and hate.
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You're rather well known; which is why your smearing/baiting really doesn't count.

Do you trust all Muslims/Christians/Republicans/Democrats, etc? If you do, that is foolish. If you don't, how do you "rationalize your bigotry and hate"?
 
Thunder said:
Its very sad watching people trying to justify & rationalize bigotry and hate.
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you should stop wasting your time with this example of "bigotry". In the grand scope of things average american weariness towards Muslims is nothing but grain of sand on a beach.

judging your passion on the subject,

You should travel to Africa and jump in front of bullets being shot at Christians instead... be much more helpful. Or go to Israel and protest missals being fired basically only because of religious hate.

The point is "justify & rationalize bigotry and hate." is a little much...
 
Thunder said:
this is of course, a pathetic & ignorant lie.
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It's not a lie, doesn't describe the whole picture because I didn't feel like going into an entire history lesson in one post.

you know what I mean, and If you don't, your a lost cause.

THE POINT IS... you are OVERLY dramatic.
 
celticwar17 said:
THE POINT IS... you are OVERLY dramatic.
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Based on his persistent stalking of my posts, I can say this is true. For once, it would be appreciated if he discussed the topic at hand, instead of changing it into something so different. It needs to stop.
 
Thunder said:
wrong. the politics unfortunately have a religious element, which is of course the fault of BOTH sides of the conflict.
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?

so how is my statement wrong?

I agree, they both have religious based "bigotry" and hate... geez you do like to drive this off-topic
 
celticwar17 said:
...I agree, they both have religious based "bigotry" and hate... geez you do like to drive this off-topic
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it was not I brought up the unrelated subject matter, I simply responded to it.

but I am done with that matter....in this thread.
 
The thread title is misleading. Irrational fear is not wisdom or being vigilant. It's stupid.
 
Redress said:
The thread title is misleading. Irrational fear is not wisdom or being vigilant. It's stupid.
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The question is if it's irrational to even have .00000000000001% non-trust in any group. It is not just focused on Muslims.

To argue against my point is to say that you must have complete trust in any large group.
 
Wake said:
My question is pretty simple and straight-forward. We ALL know there have been many terrorist attacks on American soil. Is it irrational/weak-minded/stupid to not even have a slight fear/vigilance about Muslims in America? I am NOT talking about signs/propaganda/that sort of stuff. Merely, an internal awareness that "hey, radical Muslims have been killing people and there's a lot of Muslims who haven't harmed/killed people who sympathize with them." As a kid, I learned that being bit by a cat made one a bit wary, internally of cats. Don't even try to say I'm comparing Muslims to cats because I'll call you out on that BS. It is human behavior to have an internal wariness/vigilance after being attacked/hurt from certain, past things. Some blacks distrust white people today because of slavery and other atrocities in the past. Some people have a wariness of Christians because some atrocities/killings have happened under Christianity. The same goes for communists/socialists/capitalists. Are people wrong to be even a bit wary internally about certain people who have in their group other people who have committed murders?

Take the Juan Williams example. He was fired because he simply said he felt wary being on a plane with a Muslim in garb. You could say he was an idiot, or you may be an idiot for forgetting that at least four planes went down by Muslim extremists. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying all Muslims are bad and I'm not saying people should put up signs and propaganda showing their intense fear. All I'm saying is that it is human nature to distrust a subset of people who has another group within the same set who has caused much evil---radical Muslims.

There are some liberals in this world who would say, right after 9/11, that you must forget and better not be afraid or wary. They have no comprehension of the pain inflicted during such events. Whenever a person of such liberal ideology tries to use the PC-BS to smear me, I feel like back-handing them (not physically) in regards to discussion. I am tired of being told how to think. Tired of being told not to be wise and remember. Tired of being told to forget the past only to relive it over and over and over again.
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Well, Juan Williams was attacked by liberals for being wary of Muslims after 9/11.

But Janet Napolitano was attacked by conservatives for warning that right-wing militias may try to recruit veterans back from Iraq and Afghanistan. And it's important to remember that the Oklahoma City Bombing was done by a Marine Corps veteran with extremely far-right politics.

And if that was too long ago, in 2008 the Christian Patriot movement in Michigan known as "Hutaree" were arrested for a plot to kill police officers and civilians with illegal firearms and explosives.

So Muslims aren't the only group - religious, ethnic, or political - out to attack the freedoms and liberties we enjoy in this nation.
 
Wake said:
The question is if it's irrational to even have .00000000000001% non-trust in any group. It is not just focused on Muslims....
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no, that is NOT the question asked in the OP.

you have simply edited the question to make it more pallitable.

the fact of the matter is, you are trying desperately & fruitlessly to defend an indefensable argument...that prejudice against all Muslims due to the actions of a very small minority, is legitimate.
 
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Thunder said:
no, that is NOT the question asked in the OP.

you have simply edited the question to make it more pallitable.

the fact of the matter is, you are trying desperatly & fruitlessly to defend an indefensable argument...that prejudice against all Muslims due to the actions of a very small minority, is legitimate.
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You consistently twist people's words. As such it's not worth refuting your claims.
 
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