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The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

Is it irrational/bigoted to have a slight wariness of Muslims?


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Wake

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My question is pretty simple and straight-forward. We ALL know there have been many terrorist attacks on American soil. Is it irrational/weak-minded/stupid to not even have a slight fear/vigilance about Muslims in America? I am NOT talking about signs/propaganda/that sort of stuff. Merely, an internal awareness that "hey, radical Muslims have been killing people and there's a lot of Muslims who haven't harmed/killed people who sympathize with them." As a kid, I learned that being bit by a cat made one a bit wary, internally of cats. Don't even try to say I'm comparing Muslims to cats because I'll call you out on that BS. It is human behavior to have an internal wariness/vigilance after being attacked/hurt from certain, past things. Some blacks distrust white people today because of slavery and other atrocities in the past. Some people have a wariness of Christians because some atrocities/killings have happened under Christianity. The same goes for communists/socialists/capitalists. Are people wrong to be even a bit wary internally about certain people who have in their group other people who have committed murders?

Take the Juan Williams example. He was fired because he simply said he felt wary being on a plane with a Muslim in garb. You could say he was an idiot, or you may be an idiot for forgetting that at least four planes went down by Muslim extremists. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying all Muslims are bad and I'm not saying people should put up signs and propaganda showing their intense fear. All I'm saying is that it is human nature to distrust a subset of people who has another group within the same set who has caused much evil---radical Muslims.

There are some liberals in this world who would say, right after 9/11, that you must forget and better not be afraid or wary. They have no comprehension of the pain inflicted during such events. Whenever a person of such liberal ideology tries to use the PC-BS to smear me, I feel like back-handing them (not physically) in regards to discussion. I am tired of being told how to think. Tired of being told not to be wise and remember. Tired of being told to forget the past only to relive it over and over and over again.
 
What Juan Williams said was absolutely rational and not idiotic at all! As we all know, Muslim terrorists LOVE to call attention to themselves in airports by dressing in colorful Islamic garb. They absolutely can't resist the challenge of sneaking bombs onto commercial aircraft while everyone else eyes them suspiciously.

Wake, why don't you follow your username and WAKE THE **** UP. It is not irrational to be wary of extremist Muslims who preach hate against America. It's absolutely irrational to be wary of an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. But pointing that out is just liberal claptrap, I suppose :roll:
 
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Makes me wonder why so many on the left can say it's irrational to even have a mere shred of wise vigilance yet some of those same liberals distrust the religious, Wall Street, gun owners, and the south, etc.
 
Makes me wonder why so many on the left can say it's irrational to even have a mere shred of wise vigilance yet some of those same liberals distrust the religious, Wall Street, gun owners, and the south, etc.

Making idiotic generalizations while accusing others of generalizing. Gotta love it.
 
Making idiotic generalizations while accusing others of generalizing. Gotta love it.

When I use a qualifier, the general statements are true. Some liberals do distrust Wall Street, etc. I believe there is a double standard.

There is nothing idiotic about my statements. If I used absolutes then it would be.
 
My question is pretty simple and straight-forward. We ALL know there have been many terrorist attacks on American soil. Is it irrational/weak-minded/stupid to not even have a slight fear/vigilance about Muslims in America? I am NOT talking about signs/propaganda/that sort of stuff. Merely, an internal awareness that "hey, radical Muslims have been killing people and there's a lot of Muslims who haven't harmed/killed people who sympathize with them." As a kid, I learned that being bit by a cat made one a bit wary, internally of cats. Don't even try to say I'm comparing Muslims to cats because I'll call you out on that BS. It is human behavior to have an internal wariness/vigilance after being attacked/hurt from certain, past things. Some blacks distrust white people today because of slavery and other atrocities in the past. Some people have a wariness of Christians because some atrocities/killings have happened under Christianity. The same goes for communists/socialists/capitalists. Are people wrong to be even a bit wary internally about certain people who have in their group other people who have committed murders?

Take the Juan Williams example. He was fired because he simply said he felt wary being on a plane with a Muslim in garb. You could say he was an idiot, or you may be an idiot for forgetting that at least four planes went down by Muslim extremists. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying all Muslims are bad and I'm not saying people should put up signs and propaganda showing their intense fear. All I'm saying is that it is human nature to distrust a subset of people who has another group within the same set who has caused much evil---radical Muslims.

There are some liberals in this world who would say, right after 9/11, that you must forget and better not be afraid or wary. They have no comprehension of the pain inflicted during such events. Whenever a person of such liberal ideology tries to use the PC-BS to smear me, I feel like back-handing them (not physically) in regards to discussion. I am tired of being told how to think. Tired of being told not to be wise and remember. Tired of being told to forget the past only to relive it over and over and over again.

Personally, I'm wary of human beings in general. Anyone who crosses your path is a potential whacko. I think it's stupid to not be on guard to some degree.

So I don't think it's wrong to be wary per se, so long as it's not expressed in your behavior. Even minute behavior like cringing, glaring, or narrowing the eyes around Muslims is betraying and certain distrust or dislike. This isn't fair to Muslims who've done no harm.
 
...Wake, why don't you follow your username and WAKE THE **** UP. It is not irrational to be wary of extremist Muslims who preach hate against America. It's absolutely irrational to be wary of an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. But pointing that out is just liberal claptrap, I suppose :roll:

1.5 billion Muslims and we should fear ALL of them?

that's just being paranoid, irrational, ignorant, and bigoted.
 
When I use a qualifier, the general statements are true. Some liberals do distrust Wall Street, etc. I believe there is a double standard....

you are comparing Wall Street....to 1.5 billion Muslims?

this makes zero sense.
 
Personally, I'm wary of human beings in general. Anyone who crosses your path is a potential whacko. I think it's stupid to not be on guard to some degree.

So I don't think it's wrong to be wary per se, so long as it's not expressed in your behavior. Even minute behavior like cringing, glaring, or narrowing the eyes around Muslims is betraying and certain distrust or dislike. This isn't fair to Muslims who've done no harm.

This I agree with. If some of those on the left can be so wary of businessmen, then why shouldn't others feel wary of other people, like Muslims? I have met some liberals who are truly wary of the religious, and I have met some with only a bit of wariness. The kind of wariness I speak of is wariness that is not even visible; just a mere fragment of wariness in your mind.

I wonder why some on the left state that I can't even have a non-discernable fragment of wariness, yet those same people undoubtedly have such same fragments, if even worse.
 
you are comparing Wall Street....to 1.5 billion Muslims?

this makes zero sense.

Do not twist my words, again.

Wall Street is used to describe businessmen and capitalists.
 
This I agree with. If some of those on the left can be so wary of businessmen, then why shouldn't others feel wary of other people, like Muslims?...

because its bigotry & prejudice...which is ignorant and irrational.
 
Wake- Bernie Madoff was one Jewish criminal. He made up .000001% of all Jews in the world.

The 19 hijackers and say 30 other Muslims in the USA who tried to or have staged terror attacks over the last 25 years, also make up .0000003% of the Muslims in the world.

That's a much smaller percentage of Muslims, than Bernie is a percentage of Jews.

Are you suggesting that we should all have a healthy suspicion of ALL Jewish people? Every Jew is potentially a Bernie Madoff?

This is following YOUR logic.
 
Wake- Bernie Madoff was one Jewish criminal. He made up .000001% of all Jews in the world.

The 19 hijackers and say 30 other Muslims in the USA who tried to or have staged terror attacks over the last 25 years, also make up .0000003% of the Muslims in the world.

That's a much smaller percentage of Muslims, than Bernie is a percentage of Jews.

Are you suggesting that we should all have a healthy suspicion of ALL Jewish people? Every Jew is potentially a Bernie Madoff?

This is following YOUR logic.

You argue that no one should ever be wary. To always have such 100% trust. It is foolishness.
 
You argue that no one should ever be wary. To always have such 100% trust. It is foolishness.

so how much anti-Semitism is acceptable to you, based on the actions of Madoff?

how much racism against blacks is acceptable to you, based on the criminal activity of a minority of African-Americans?
 
so how much anti-Semitism is acceptable to you, based on the actions of Madoff?

how much racism against blacks is acceptable to you, based on the criminal activity of a minority of African-Americans?

To counter, do you have complete trust in gun rights owners? All businessmen? All Catholic priests? How about all of the religious right? Tell me you have absolutely no apprehension with any of these groups. You trust them fully %100, just as you do the anti-abortionists? You argue that you must have 100% trust in any group of people. You probably, in your heart of hearts, have absoltely no distrust of any group of people, cause' we're all good and honest?

I do not have complete trust in Muslims because I am wise enough to acknowledge and understand that there are Muslims in the US who sympathize with radical Muslims. It is human nature to be wary. To not trust things---almost everything--with absoluteness. The same goes for government as you have argued in the past that one must trust the government 100%. That is not how the world works. People are not absolutely trusting by nature; when **** hits the fan and hundreds/thousands dies, people have the right to feel a bit f apprehension.
 
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The problem is not one specific belief system. The problem is zealotry in any belief system.
 
The problem is not one specific belief system. The problem is zealotry in any belief system.

I would add that there are those in those belief systems who are also sympathetic to the group that does the active terrorism.
 
I would add that there are those in those belief systems who are also sympathetic to the group that does the active terrorism.

You mean like Sarah Palin refusing to call Abortion Clinic Bombers terrorists :lol:
 
Since you worded it as "slight wariness," I voted no. I don't think people are wrong to experience such an emotion based on events that have happened and hostility toward the United States. If it escalates into hatred or discrimination, then there's a problem.
 
Wake, why don't you follow your username and WAKE THE **** UP. It is not irrational to be wary of extremist Muslims who preach hate against America. It's absolutely irrational to be wary of an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. But pointing that out is just liberal claptrap, I suppose :roll:

It just has to be repeated.
 
You mean like Sarah Palin refusing to call Abortion Clinic Bombers terrorists :lol:

I am no fan of Sarah Palin.

Since you worded it as "slight wariness," I voted no. I don't think people are wrong to experience such an emotion based on events that have happened and hostility toward the United States. If it escalates into hatred or discrimination, then there's a problem.

The wariness I mean is even less than that. It's not even discernable.
 
Considering the fact that I hate and distrust just about everyone, however the difference is that I dont run to the thugerment via the Patriot Act, TSA and other thugerment agencies to hurt others. If you want to hate muslims, go right ahead but dont get pissed the next time you try to be a tough guy against some random muslim and he lays you out on the floor.
 
Considering the fact that I hate and distrust just about everyone, however the difference is that I dont run to the thugerment via the Patriot Act, TSA and other thugerment agencies to hurt others. If you want to hate muslims, go right ahead but dont get pissed the next time you try to be a tough guy against some random muslim and he lays you out on the floor.

Psh. You just hate everyone because you are a Mets fan.
 
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