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Thread: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The delicious irony is you are making one of my favorite arguments against the people who wrote and compiled the books of the Bible. Please continue to talk about how it is delusional to have 100% trust in a group of people.
    I have stated before that I don't have complete trust in Christians, either, AEB the Norway shooting, deaths of abortionists, Inquisition, molestations of children by Catholic priests, the verse in the NT about the killing of homosexuals, etc.

    Do you argue that if I completely trusts Muslims, that I must also completely trust Christians and Scientologists?

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    ...There are some liberals in this world who would say, right after 9/11, that you must forget and better not be afraid or wary. They have no comprehension of the pain inflicted during such events.....
    Um, I am a NYer. I breathed in that disgusting yellow air for 3 months. I helped in the recovery effort at GZ. I participated in the 10th Anniversary Memorial Ceremony September 11th, 2011...at Ground Zero.

    Please don't tell me I have no comprehension of the pain & suffering caused by the day.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really? which liberals said this?

    that aside, no, it's not irrational or weak minded to NOT fear muslims. some m,uslims commit horrible crimes. some whites commit horrible crimes. do we have to fear everyone? i don't think so. i think being aware is fine, but fear? i don't want to live my life in fear.
    I never said, fear, but vigilance. Vigilance, ----> "aware." I have been told that being aware is irrational. I do not have %100 trust in Muslims/Christians/etc; I am aware/vigilant of them. Yet, that makes me irrational.

    I not once EVER mentioned being afraid.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    ...Do you argue that if I completely trusts Muslims, that I must also completely trust Christians and Scientologists?
    what is soo evil about giving all human beings the benefit of the doubt?

    its not like we are asking you to trust a guy with explosives taped to his chest.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Of course you would. You're you.

    Do you trust all:

    ~ Hillbillies?
    ~ Rightwingers?
    ~ Gun rights activists?
    ~ Anti-abortionists?
    ~ Tea Partiers?
    ~ The Religious Right?
    ~ Christians?
    I don't trust a whole lot of people, but I won't seek to have that mistrust codified into law or something. Perhaps I should be "weary" of all Muslims; but I'm not. I know too many who do not profess any hostility towards me or other Americans or America on the whole. And it all relies on the rationality of the "mistrust". Certainly if it comes through stereotype, it is not very logical. It can have stronger resolve if built upon measurement and statistics. Still, one may be weary of them but it doesn't necessitate action. You can be bit by a cat and thus be distrustful of cats. But the more rational response is to figure out what you did to the cat to encourage it to bite you. Maybe it was unprovoked and you'll have to watch it (though being scared of cats in general would be illogical as it is isolated case, not statistics), but if you were pulling it's tail or kicking it or something of the manner, the more rational response is to curb your behavior which caused the rebuttal.
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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    My question is pretty simple and straight-forward. We ALL know there have been many terrorist attacks on American soil. Is it irrational/weak-minded/stupid to not even have a slight fear/vigilance about Muslims in America?...
    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I never said, fear, but vigilance....

    ...I not once EVER mentioned being afraid.
    actually, you DID say fear.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have stated before that I don't have complete trust in Christians, either, AEB the Norway shooting, deaths of abortionists, Inquisition, molestations of children by Catholic priests, the verse in the NT about the killing of homosexuals, etc.

    Do you argue that if I completely trusts Muslims, that I must also completely trust Christians and Scientologists?
    Nope. I'm just enjoying being an observer of your cognitive dissonance. Anyone who would argue on one hand that the Bible is the infallible word of God and on the other hand argue that it would be delusional to completely trust the people who wrote and compiled it...is someone I can find quite entertaining.

    But that is irrelevant to this thread. Please do tell...how wary and mistrustful should I be of Muslims? We agree that it is okay to be mistrustful of all people to a degree, so what degree of mistrust do you practice towards people who are Muslim? Is it more or less mistrust than you would have in a random fellow Christian?
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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what is soo evil about giving all human beings the benefit of the doubt?

    its not like we are asking you to trust a guy with explosives taped to his chest.
    It's foolish to have complete/absolute trust in a group of people.

    Hey, here's a riddle:

    During WWII, would you have complete trust in all Germans? How about I tell you you're irrational for having even .0000000000001% awareness of Germans as a whole in America, especially since there were many German/Nazi sympathizers as well.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It's foolish to have complete/absolute trust in a group of people.

    Hey, here's a riddle:

    During WWII, would you have complete trust in all Germans? How about I tell you you're irrational for having even .0000000000001% awareness of Germans as a whole in America, especially since there were many German/Nazi sympathizers as well.
    Maybe not complete trust. But I also wouldn't endorse throwing them into happy fun camps either.
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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    ...During WWII, would you have complete trust in all Germans?....
    very dishonest & pathetic comparison, as the German people voted for the Nazis in a democratic election and gave them them highest vote of any political party in 1933. Such large-scale messages by a society has consequences.

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