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Thread: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Even in our life, we do not trust 100% everyone that surround us. We will always (pushed by our human behaviour) have a doubt on other's actions. There is nothing wrong with this.

    I consider wrong, prejudging someone due to his gener, origin, background. It's like prejudging a criminal's son due to his father's actions. (people have been persecuted due to their biography in communism. because a family member was prisoned due to his political views, all family had to pay the consequences).
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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Zyphlin- you believe that folks that you have never met, are NOT deserving of the benefit of the doubt?

    I sure do. And there is nothing irrational about such a stance.
    I'm of the belief that people I've never met should be treated rather neutral in regards to trust. I don't give them the benefit of the doubt that they're trustworthy, but I don't also believe they're immedietely not trustworthy.

    I'm always wary of my surroundings and people that are around me when I walk on a city street, am at a bar, or on a subway, etc. I try to sit near exits when possible, back against the wall when possible, etc. I don't flash my wallet around, I don't leave my phone on my hip, or anything else such as that...things I would do around people I trust. If a stranger tells me something I generally attempt to verify what they're saying is legitimate, with the more significant of a statement requiring even more proof. For example if a little girl, obviously weeping and upset, comes and tells me she needs help because her father is hurt and I see a man clutching his chest up ahead leaning on a wall, that will be enough evidence to give her a bit of trust in her story. On the flip side, if a stranger calls me and tells me they are a friend of my cousin and she got in trouble on spring break and is in jail and needs money wired to her, I would probably go out of my way to verify that as true before believing them and giving them the benefit of the doubt.

    People who want my trust have to earn it. People who fully lose my trust need to do something to lose it. Everyone else is rather neutral to me, people I neither trust nor distrust but rather simply take on a case by case basis. Essentially, I distrust them unless I have reason through context or verification not to, with the amount of context or verification that is needed depending on the level of trust they're requiring. That is different than someone I just distrust wholey, as those type of people will generally not have my trust regardless o verification.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    1.5 billion Muslims and we should fear ALL of them?

    that's just being paranoid, irrational, ignorant, and bigoted.
    LOL, you're seriously going to lecture someone else about negative stereotyping when you'd started how many "All conservatives are......" threads today?

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    LOL, you're seriously going to lecture someone else about negative stereotyping when you'd started how many "All conservatives are......" threads today?
    I'm sorry, but what do other threads have to do with this one?

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    I don't think any Muslim with bad intentions is going to get past airport security while they are allowed to go to second base with you. Also it seems stupid to go with the same plan twice; it's like robbing a bank, getting caught and then going back with the same exact plan to the same bank. I'm not suspicious of Muslims because I don't think they would choose to attack that way again and get past current security.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh Internets View Post
    I don't think any Muslim with bad intentions is going to get past airport security while they are allowed to go to second base with you. Also it seems stupid to go with the same plan twice; it's like robbing a bank, getting caught and then going back with the same exact plan to the same bank. I'm not suspicious of Muslims because I don't think they would choose to attack that way again and get past current security.
    I live in NYC, site of two terrorist attacks by Muslims and many more failed attempts at terrorist attacks, by Muslims.

    Do I feel fear or apprehension when a Muslim walks towards me? Nope.

    Why should I?

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I live in NYC, site of two terrorist attacks by Muslims and many more failed attempts at terrorist attacks, by Muslims.

    Do I feel fear or apprehension when a Muslim walks towards me? Nope.

    Why should I?
    The answer to why you should be aware is the same answer that it would be for anyone. You don't know them, they could potentially be anyone. If you see a shifty looking white guy walking by you at night you would be stupid to not be alert. The same applies for Muslims, if you see a shifty nervous looking Muslim guy in an airport you should be alert, you don't have to hate him, but you should be aware.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't trust all Muslims. Likewise, I don't trust all Christians. Same with all Republicans/Democrats, Liberals/Conservatives, etc. To argue against my claim you must have complete faith and trust in those groups. Logic demands I am correct. Do you think it logical to trust all large groups? The focus was never just Muslims. The focus is whether or not it is rational to distrust certain groups---to distrust is to not have 0 trust. As said before, to disagree you must have 0 trust.

    So why do you have to single Muslims out for your poll? Almost every large group of individuals contains some that have done bad things to be vary about, so people should be wary of all groups.

    Let's just say that anyone who single a religious group out, where the same applies to every other religious groups, are irrational and bigoted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh Internets View Post
    ...The same applies for Muslims, if you see a shifty nervous looking Muslim guy in an airport you should be alert, you don't have to hate him, but you should be aware.
    but this isn't about seeing a nervous, sweating, constantly looking-arond Muslim at an airport with a big backpack.

    this is about your every-day, average Muslim-American, walking down the street.

    and you know what I feel when I see such a Muslim? pride.

    pride that I live in a country and a city where all are welcome, regardless of who they are.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh Internets View Post
    The answer to why you should be aware is the same answer that it would be for anyone. You don't know them, they could potentially be anyone. If you see a shifty looking white guy walking by you at night you would be stupid to not be alert. The same applies for Muslims, if you see a shifty nervous looking Muslim guy in an airport you should be alert, you don't have to hate him, but you should be aware.
    So we should be alert to shifty nervous looking people, the descriptive "white" or "Muslim" are totally superfluous. Now, why would someone make a superfluous description as the main point instead? That is the definition of irrational. And when it's focused on a particular religious group, that is the definition of bigotry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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