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Thread: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I ask because I know a lot of Muslims and I can't imagine being weary of them because they are Muslim. I really can't at all. And no, I don't trust my friends 100%, but that's not the idea being discussed here. We're talking about distrusting people because they are Muslim. My trust in my friends has nothing to do with their religion.


    Do you distrust people in those groups because they are in those groups?
    I have an awareness based on what actions have happened by some in that group.

    As an example: I don't trust ALL businessmen because I am AWARE that there have been businessmen who have embezzled/cheated people.

    It is really that simple.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    No, the point that you appear to be making is that even though there were perhaps 30 million German-Americans in the USA during WW2, we should have an irrational fear of them...just due to the alleged German-American spies against the USA....who's numbers you have consistently failed to spell out or even prove.

    So I ask: how many German-American spies were caught by the USA? and how do they justify irrational fear against tens of millions of German-Americans?
    You miss the point, yet again.

    Numbers don't matter. A virtually indiscernable awareness is justified.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    No, the point that you appear to be making is that even though there were perhaps 30 million German-Americans in the USA during WW2, we should have an irrational fear of them...just due to the alleged German-American spies against the USA....who's numbers you have consistently failed to spell out or even prove.

    So I ask: how many German-American spies were caught by the USA? and how do they justify irrational fear against tens of millions of German-Americans?
    Define what you mean by irrational.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    I guess in order to be rational I MUST trust all groups absolutely.

    Hilarious.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I ask because I know a lot of Muslims and I can't imagine being weary of them because they are Muslim. I really can't at all. And no, I don't trust my friends 100%, but that's not the idea being discussed here. We're talking about distrusting people because they are Muslim. My trust in my friends has nothing to do with their religion.


    Do you distrust people in those groups because they are in those groups?
    not weary, that's means tired. wary.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    ..Numbers don't matter. A virtually indiscernable awareness is justified.
    yes, you have stated this.

    this is why you feel that irrational fear against millions of Muslim-Americans is justified by the crimes of 19 non-American Muslims.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I guess in order to be rational I MUST trust all groups absolutely...
    we are talking about people. individual human beings. not groups.

    and yes, unless you have a rational, logical, and intelligent basis for distrusting someone, u should give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    we are talking about people. individual human beings. not groups.

    and yes, unless you have a rational, logical, and intelligent basis for distrusting someone, u should give them the benefit of the doubt.
    I am talking about GROUPS, NOT INDIVIDUALS.

    Stop derailing this topic.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well, apparently, I've been told by at least 6 people among various forums that I'm irrational for not having complete trust, thus why I am a bit annoyed with this crap.
    You are not irrational for not having complete trust. Actually, its rather irrational to completely trust any group 100%.

    What is irrational is to distrust a group more than you distrust a similar group simply due to an action perpetrated by a small minority of the first group...an action that is also at times present in those other similar groups as well.

    For example, using the example YOU chose to use in your OP, its not irrational to not be fully trusting of all muslims. It is however irrational to distrust Muslims more than Christians, or Jews, or Athiests, because some have killed a lot of people.

    Now, because something is irratoinal doesn't mean its not understandable.

    Lets say you go to pet a dog and he immedietely bites you. It is irrational to be wary when trying to pet any dog after that because they may bite you, because by and large most dogs are not going to respond by biting you the moment you try to pet them. Its irrational to apply the actions of that one dog to ALL dogs through your actions. However, it is understandable that you are wary in the immediete aftermath because of the trauma of the incident.

    It is even MORE irrational if you're wary of petting dogs after that point, but you're not wary when petting cats, snakes, or other pets that can bite.

    It is entirely possible for an action to be both understandable and reasonable, while at the same time being illogical and irrational.

    Its not irrational that you don't trust Muslims 100%. Its irrational that you distrust all of them to a greater degree because of terrorist attacks. However, due to the traumatic nature of the 9/11 attacks, I would say that such an irrational fear is also an understandable one.

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    Re: The Irrationality of Vigilant Wisdom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ..Its not irrational that you don't trust Muslims 100%. Its irrational that you distrust all of them to a greater degree because of terrorist attacks
    thank you.

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