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Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

  • Yes, across the board.

    Votes: 10 15.4%

  • Yes, for infrastructure.

    Votes: 27 41.5%

  • Yes, for education. (K-12)

    Votes: 18 27.7%

  • Yes, for job creation.

    Votes: 16 24.6%

  • Yes, for social programs.

    Votes: 15 23.1%

  • Yes, for medical care.

    Votes: 21 32.3%

  • Yes, for the environment.

    Votes: 16 24.6%

  • Yes, but... not for some particular programs (please elaborate).

    Votes: 8 12.3%

  • No. None. Not for anything at all.

    Votes: 23 35.4%

  • Undecided. Convince me either way.

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Total voters
    65
Thunder said:
Will someone please explain to me the logic behind giving a business, freedom of speech?

how about the ability of a businessman to drive his business into the ground, forcing the layoff of hundreds of employees, yet he faces no fiscal penalty?
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If he owes taxes, there will be a definite fiscal penalty.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's the trouble with mindless ideaology that speaks in generalities and never seeks to problem solve. We've all seen too much of this in our time.
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Only a mindless ideology would believe that my money is better off in the government's coffers, rather than in my pocket. While I still have possession of my money, it can do far more for the state of the economy than it will in the government's coffers.

Example: I bought a boat last week. I paid taxes on it. I'm paying interest on the loan. I paid for the trailer registration. I paid for the hull registration. Plus, I paid the total price of the boat.

Bottom line: The economy got more bang for the buck, than if the government had that same amount of money.

And, yes, I'm going to write off some of that as a business expense. ;)

Basically, I'm helping to solve the problem by keeping that money in the economy.
 
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apdst said:
My car doesn't have it's own checking account. My business does. If I want to right a check to a political campaign from my corporate account, I should be able to do that without being taxed on the money, before I do it.
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Your business doesn't vote. Without YOU, your business doesn't exist. Legislators should be beholden to the actual living breathing people they represent, not the tool of their trade, so the point about pre-tax vs post-tax dollars is merely another sample of part of the problem.
 
apdst said:
Thunder said:
yes, and the law currently says that if your business goes bankrupt, you should not go banktrupt with it.

the law says that you AND your corporation, have seperate rights to freedom of speech.

this, is insane.
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Well, not anymore it doesn't. [...]
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Insane claim.

apds said:
If you think coporations and persons aren't the same [...]
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Corporations and persons aren't the same. If they were, then there would be no reason for corporations to exist. Like, duh :doh
 
If corporations are people, why can't we put them in jail when they break the law?
 
Thunder said:
you seem to be confusing patriotism, with greed & selfishness.
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No, I'm not the least bit confused. I'm well aware of my patriotic duty to protect the economy from a greedy and selfsih government.
 
Karl said:
Insane claim.


Corporations and persons aren't the same. If they were, then there would be no reason for corporations to exist. Like, duh :doh
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If they weren't, I wouldn't be personally responsible for my corporate taxes.
 
radcen said:
Your business doesn't vote. Without YOU, your business doesn't exist. Legislators should be beholden to the actual living breathing people they represent, not the tool of their trade, so the point about pre-tax vs post-tax dollars is merely another sample of part of the problem.
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I would agree, but as long as unions, non-profits and special interests have those rights, my corporationshould have them as well.
 
whysoserious said:
Enron went to jail? It's parents must be pissed!
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Some of the guys that ran Enron went to jail, after acting in the name of Enron. There wasn't any distinction between corporations and person in that case.
 
apdst said:
If they weren't, I wouldn't be personally responsible for my corporate taxes.
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You're not.

People viewing this thread that think the shareholders of Exxon (for example) are personally responsible for Exxon's taxes, please raise your hand.

Anyone?

Bueller?
 
apdst said:
Some of the guys that ran Enron went to jail, after acting in the name of Enron. There wasn't any distinction between corporations and person in that case.
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Ok, so Enron's abettors went to jail... but why isn't Enron in jail? Enron was a person that committed crimes, correct? Why is Enron not in jail?
 
apdst said:
Some of the guys that ran Enron went to jail, after acting in the name of Enron. There wasn't any distinction between corporations and person in that case.
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Then why didn't Enron go to jail?
 
whysoserious said:
Ok, so Enron's abettors went to jail... but why isn't Enron in jail? Enron was a person that committed crimes, correct? Why is Enron not in jail?
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Great minds think alike ;)
 
apdst said:
I would agree, but as long as unions, non-profits and special interests have those rights, my corporationshould have them as well.
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As long as we do have that ability, then I agree that it should be equal across the board, but I don't believe that those entities should have that ability, either.
 
whysoserious said:
If corporations are people, why can't we put them in jail when they break the law?
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I forget where I heard it, but some have said that "corporate personhood" would actually increase the ability and frequency of people at the top of corporations to be held criminally liable when appropriate.
 
Karl said:
You're not.

People viewing this thread that think the shareholders of Exxon (for example) are personally responsible for Exxon's taxes, please raise your hand.

Anyone?

Bueller?
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You need to open a business, get behind on your taxes and see who the government comes to to settle up the bill.

Keep dreaming, if you think a business owner isn't personally responsible for his taxes.
 
radcen said:
As long as we do have that ability, then I agree that it should be equal across the board, but I don't believe that those entities should have that ability, either.
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Agreed! That's my whole point. All, or none.
 
Those 25 "no" votes....
I cannot have a high opinion of them....do they wish to return to the 6th century or the 18th century ?
I for one believe we must spend a lot more in places...
IMO, the EPA, the environment gets plenty, I see no reason to spend more.
Also, spending must be careful, not all good things can be bought.
We may be maxed out in places...
Pensions, IMO, for one...
My pension is $334, monthly.
But, a state legislator can receive ten times that......very unfair...
 
apdst said:
Does Enron exist as a corporation, anymore?
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Did it die? Since it's a person, surely it must be buried somewhere... or was it cremated?
 
apdst said:
You need to open a business, get behind on your taxes and see who the government comes to to settle up the bill. [...]
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So, in order to prove your point, I must do something?

Have a lot of success with that debate tactic, do you? :lamo
 
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