View Poll Results: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

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  • Yes, across the board.

    14 12.17%
  • Yes, for infrastructure.

    33 28.70%
  • Yes, for education. (K-12)

    21 18.26%
  • Yes, for job creation.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, for social programs.

    15 13.04%
  • Yes, for medical care.

    26 22.61%
  • Yes, for the environment.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, but... not for some particular programs (please elaborate).

    10 8.70%
  • No. None. Not for anything at all.

    63 54.78%
  • Undecided. Convince me either way.

    1 0.87%
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually only a mindless ideology would dare to say something like that and expect it to be accepted as a valid truth. The fact is that you could take lots of money and simply piss it away wasting it without any real benefit to society. Or you could keep it in your pocket (as you describe) or under your mattress where it is mere pieces of paper doing nothing. The government could indeed use that money and put it to better use than you do in some cases. Educating children is by far a better social use of your money than many other things you could do with it. Providing for the common defense is a better use for your money that a lot of things you might otherwise do with it.

    The idea that just because it is you spending or using your money somehow someway gives it a sheen of worth that the government spending money does not have is absurd.

    This is indeed the problem with the nation today. Too many right wingers holding axioms that they believe to be ALWAYS true when they are not.
    And, we're supposed to just take your word for it, because you think you're smarter than the rest of us. Yes?

    So, tell us how well off the economy is, since we've spent all those trillions over the past three years. Just great, yes?

    Yeah! Whatever!
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, we're supposed to just take your word for it, because you think you're smarter than the rest of us. Yes?

    So, tell us how well off the economy is, since we've spent all those trillions over the past three years. Just great, yes?

    Yeah! Whatever!
    Your answer makes no logical sense. I did not say I was smarter than everyone else. What I said is that YOUR idea that you ALWAYS can use money better than the government is silly and nonsense. I gave you the example of education and national defense where the government can use money well to the benefit of the nation and the American people. Roads and highways, pubic safety, fire protection, disease control, the list goes on and on and on.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your answer makes no logical sense. I did not say I was smarter than everyone else. What I said is that YOUR idea that you ALWAYS can use money better than the government is silly and nonsense. I gave you the example of education and national defense where the government can use money well to the benefit of the nation and the American people. Roads and highways, pubic safety, fire protection, disease control, the list goes on and on and on.
    My idea is exactly right. Look how well the government has used out money over the past few years.

    As far as the health of the economy is concerned, theprivate sector can better spend money than the government.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    My idea is exactly right. Look how well the government has used out money over the past few years.

    As far as the health of the economy is concerned, theprivate sector can better spend money than the government.
    You seem to miss the point here because you are too busy trying to promote yourself. There is not fast hard and true axiom that you can alway spend money better than the government or the government can always spend money better than you can.

    here was your statement and it is nonsense since it is presented as a truism

    Only a mindless ideology would believe that my money is better off in the government's coffers, rather than in my pocket. While I still have possession of my money, it can do far more for the state of the economy than it will in the government's coffers.
    I gave you several examples of the government making good use of taxpayers money. There are none so blind as he who will not see.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to miss the point here because you are too busy trying to promote yourself. There is not fast hard and true axiom that you can alway spend money better than the government or the government can always spend money better than you can.
    It's a fact, the private sector spending will always--yes, always--be a more effective boost to the economy than government spending will.





    I gave you several examples of the government making good use of taxpayers money. There are none so blind as he who will not see.
    And, as usual, you think everything is all, or none. At no time did I say that there wasn't government spending that is smart, needed and effective.

    Obviously, the government needs to be spending money on infratstructure and defense and social programs. I've never said otherwise. However, if you want the economy to grow, the best place for that money to effect that, is in the private sector.

    When I make a purchase, especially a large purchase--like my cool ass boat--I create new revenue. That's something that the government can't do.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post






    And, as usual, you think everything is all, or none. At no time did I say that there wasn't government spending that is smart, needed and effective.
    Sure you did.

    Only a mindless ideology would believe that my money is better off in the government's coffers, rather than in my pocket. While I still have possession of my money, it can do far more for the state of the economy than it will in the government's coffers.
    You were quite clear. Money is better with you than it is with the government.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sure you did.
    When? Quote me, please. Thank you.


    You were quite clear. Money is better with you than it is with the government.
    As far as the economy is concerned, it is. Or, are you going to tell us you didn't support the stealfromus package?
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When? Quote me, please. Thank you.



    jut did in post 336 - you know.... the one you duplicated part of in order to ask me to quote you when I did in that same post.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Actually only a mindless ideology would dare to say something like that and expect it to be accepted as a valid truth. The fact is that you could take lots of money and simply piss it away wasting it without any real benefit to society. Or you could keep it in your pocket (as you describe) or under your mattress where it is mere pieces of paper doing nothing. The government could indeed use that money and put it to better use than you do in some cases. Educating children is by far a better social use of your money than many other things you could do with it. Providing for the common defense is a better use for your money that a lot of things you might otherwise do with it.

    The idea that just because it is you spending or using your money somehow someway gives it a sheen of worth that the government spending money does not have is absurd.

    This is indeed the problem with the nation today. Too many right wingers holding axioms that they believe to be ALWAYS true when they are not.
    Just because money is used for education and defense, and because education and defense are good things- does not mean that almost anyone is more efficient with the way they administer money than the government is. I can guarantee you I'd never allow $3000 to be spent on a toilet seat if I were managing the money. It's not what the money is spent on that is the problem. It is the fluff, and the pork, and the inefficient spending practices that are the problem. I can say that I am better with money than the US government. That's a fact.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Just because money is used for education and defense, and because education and defense are good things- does not mean that almost anyone is more efficient with the way they administer money than the government is. I can guarantee you I'd never allow $3000 to be spent on a toilet seat if I were managing the money. It's not what the money is spent on that is the problem. It is the fluff, and the pork, and the inefficient spending practices that are the problem. I can say that I am better with money than the US government. That's a fact.
    The Democratic party gains no votes or power when you spend money. I think that is the real issue



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