View Poll Results: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

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  • Yes, across the board.

    14 12.17%
  • Yes, for infrastructure.

    33 28.70%
  • Yes, for education. (K-12)

    21 18.26%
  • Yes, for job creation.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, for social programs.

    15 13.04%
  • Yes, for medical care.

    26 22.61%
  • Yes, for the environment.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, but... not for some particular programs (please elaborate).

    10 8.70%
  • No. None. Not for anything at all.

    63 54.78%
  • Undecided. Convince me either way.

    1 0.87%
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    It doesn't matter! Those jobs have to be filled! Okay, so Joe Blow quits his job "working for the man" and starts a new company up. Fine, but first, someone else will have to take his place because that low-wage job has to be filled by someone. Second, he probably just created at least a few more low-wage jobs as well, each that needs to be filled.

    No one is arguing with you that there is not opportunity for advancement, only that that opportunity is available to everyone. It's not physically possible for everyone to advance. Someone has to have that job.
    How is he going to create a high wage job, when he is just starting a business? There is a minimum wage for a reason. When there are not enough low wage workers (because they all started their own businesses) the markets will correct themselves and the wages will increase because, as you said, the job has to be filled.

    Who do you think those masses are composed of?
    I didn't say they were lazy and incompetent. I said they were ignorant.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, business-owners have invested time and money into their company. but that doesn't change the fact that its the labor of the workers who are making the products or services that earn the money that accounts for the profits.

    a fairer system of dividing profits between owners & workers, should be devised.
    try as you might you cannot fashion such a system. a job is nothing more than an entity filling its need for a commodity known as labor. It pays the going rate for that labor. fair is a silly term but if the wage it offers obtains a sufficient quantity and quality of labor, then the wage rate is objectively fair



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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    How is he going to create a high wage job, when he is just starting a business? There is a minimum wage for a reason. When there are not enough low wage workers (because they all started their own businesses) the markets will correct themselves and the wages will increase because, as you said, the job has to be filled.
    I am not saying anything in relation to his ability to pay people high wages. It may not be possible. I am simply speaking to the idea that everyone has a shot at making lots of money and that only the "lazy" are low income workers. Those jobs will always exist, and will always need to be filled, and they are just as important, if not more important, than any other jobs in the company.

    And personally, I don't appreciate being called ignorant because I think those people deserve food on the table, health care, a roof over their heads, et al. The problem I see with libertarians and conservatives on this board is that they believe they are actually better than people who earn low wages and that anyone in that position deserves to be - and they aren't ashamed to admit it either.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh - but you don't spend time on the forum, do you?
    Not when I am at work, I don't. When I am at work, I am being paid to move product. And when I am at work, that is what I am doing. To do otherwise would be to steal from my employer. When my employer is paying me to do work, my employer has every right to expect that I am doing that work; not playing on this forum or otherwise spending it on non-work pursuits.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So you don't intend on retiring or ever being unemployed? Can I hold you to that?
    Unemployed, retired, on vacation, on holidays, on furlough, or otherwise outside of work hours, my time is my own to do with as I will. During work hours, that time is my employer's. When my employer is paying me for my time, my employer has every right to expect that that time will be spent doing the work that my employer is paying me to do.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Not when I am at work, I don't. When I am at work, I am being paid to move product. And when I am at work, that is what I am doing. To do otherwise would be to steal from my employer. When my employer is paying me to do work, my employer has every right to expect that I am doing that work; not playing on this forum or otherwise spending it on non-work pursuits....
    what does this have to do with the thread?

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what does this have to do with the thread?
    if you are so worried about this thread not being sidetracked why are you cluttering it up with this mindless bit of crap?



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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's my patriotic duty to deny the government as many tax dollars as possible, because the more money they have, the more they will waste. I have to save them from themselves.
    That's the trouble with mindless ideaology that speaks in generalities and never seeks to problem solve. We've all seen too much of this in our time.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's my patriotic duty to deny the government as many tax dollars as possible, because the more money they have, the more they will waste....
    you seem to be confusing patriotism, with greed & selfishness.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    I am simply speaking to the idea that everyone has a shot at making lots of money and that only the "lazy" are low income workers.
    No one has called them lazy but you.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you seem to be confusing patriotism, with greed & selfishness.
    Nope.

    The government is currently spending far too much, trying to do too much, and failing epically.

    It doesn't need more money, it needs to spend less.


    When it hits 3/4 of its current spending levels, I may be ok with it – but no promises.
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