View Poll Results: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

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  • Yes, across the board.

    14 12.17%
  • Yes, for infrastructure.

    33 28.70%
  • Yes, for education. (K-12)

    21 18.26%
  • Yes, for job creation.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, for social programs.

    15 13.04%
  • Yes, for medical care.

    26 22.61%
  • Yes, for the environment.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, but... not for some particular programs (please elaborate).

    10 8.70%
  • No. None. Not for anything at all.

    63 54.78%
  • Undecided. Convince me either way.

    1 0.87%
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why is it wrong to apply laws equally to everyone? I don't want to get screwed by the government, just because I'm self employed. That ain't right. What about MY rights? Do I give those up, when I start my own business?
    I have to disagree on this point. You as an individual still have rights. Always will, so I don't understand where the point of view comes from that an individual gives up rights when they start a business. A business is a thing or an entity that is owned, either by a single person or a group of people. Owning a business is not unlike owning a car. As a car is merely a tool to get from Point A to Point B, a business is merely a tool to make money.

    Now, IMO, we can have laws that allow business to do things that individual people cannot necessarily do, and these would also... conceivably... be in the best interests of the people as well, but I would stop short at referring to them as 'rights'. Only living breathing humans should have rights. Rights shouldn't change (much) with time. Business laws can and should change and evolve as necessary.

    Just my opinion of how it should be, not saying this is how they are.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    To be honest, I was surprised when I found them as well (though it is apparently true - just Google "Rick Perry low wage jobs"), and I stumbled on them by accident. All I wanted to know, and still want to know as I can't seem to find it, is what the average American makes - excluding outliers. I'd also like to know what percentage of Americans earn what - so say 40% of Americans make $40,000 a year or less. Those statistics are eluding me. I just find it funny that many conservatives and libertarians today have no problem calling hundreds of thousands of low-wage workers "lazy" and incompetent. These jobs, which America could not continue growing without, are apparently occupied by useless individuals, according to people such as yourself.
    And again, you hit and run. You didn't address any of arguments. And to be honest and fair, I have never made any inference or comment that low wage workers are lazy and incompetent. Earlier you inferred that I held those beliefs. Just more rhetoric. You assume that people of a certian political bias hold certain beliefs that just simply is not the case.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Will someone please explain to me the logic behind giving a business, freedom of speech?

    how about the ability of a businessman to drive his business into the ground, forcing the layoff of hundreds of employees, yet he faces no fiscal penalty?

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Will someone please explain to me the logic behind giving a business, freedom of speech?

    how about the ability of a businessman to drive his business into the ground, forcing the layoff of hundreds of employees, yet he faces no fiscal penalty?
    CEO's are employees. They perform a job for pay. They either excel or they fail, just like any retail store clerk or cocktail waitress. If he makes bad decisions that hurt the company, the board of directors will fire him- and thus he will suffer financially. He has no other investment in the buisiness other than that of an employee- unless he has profit sharing or stock options, in which case he FURTHER suffers financially.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    And again, you hit and run. You didn't address any of arguments. And to be honest and fair, I have never made any inference or comment that low wage workers are lazy and incompetent. Earlier you inferred that I held those beliefs. Just more rhetoric. You assume that people of a certian political bias hold certain beliefs that just simply is not the case.
    I took your statement about the "ignorant and stupid masses" as your opinion on the poor. Who do you think is working these jobs? Yeah, those guys. What question did you want me to answer? The ones where you said, "I don't believe that data since it is below federal minimum wage"? Look, I have done enough arguing on this subject to know both sides very well. You want the libertarian one? Sure, I got it:

    1) The jobs are dime a dozen
    2) Anyone could do the job so why should it pay well
    3) If these people would apply themselves they could move up in the company
    4) If these people wanted better pay, they should get an education
    5) Paying low-income workers better ranges is bad for companies and would hurt growth
    6) Anyone who thinks low wage workers should be paid better wages doesn't know anything about business
    7) Low wage workers don't pay their fair share of taxes anyway

    Should I continue, or did I sum it up well enough?
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    I took your statement about the "ignorant and stupid masses" as your opinion on the poor
    Because you FEEL more than you THINK. That is not who I was referring to. I was referring to the Occupy Movement and to people, liberals and conservatives alike, who make arguments but do not know what in the hell they are talking about. Those are the ignorant, stupid masses

    What question did you want me to answer? The ones where you said, "I don't believe that data since it is below federal minimum wage"? Look, I have done enough arguing on this subject to know both sides very well. You want the libertarian one? Sure, I got it:

    1) The jobs are dime a dozen
    2) Anyone could do the job so why should it pay well
    3) If these people would apply themselves they could move up in the company
    4) If these people wanted better pay, they should get an education
    5) Paying low-income workers better ranges is bad for companies and would hurt growth
    6) Anyone who thinks low wage workers should be paid better wages doesn't know anything about business
    7) Low wage workers don't pay their fair share of taxes anyway

    Should I continue, or did I sum it up well enough?
    Some of those things factor into my argument, sure. I do not believe that low wage worker's pay too little in taxes. I don't think taxes need to be increased at all. I do, absolutely believe in the American Dream and personal responsibility. The house with the white picket fence and the 2.5 kids or whatever- people are not entitled to this. This is an attainable ideal, though, in this country, only because of capitalism. People get fed up working for the man, and go work their asses off starting a small business from the ground up- so that they can be the boss and control the money. This is what our wonderful melting pot of American immigrants did- and what people still have the ability to do if they stop making excuses and start accepting responsibility for where they are and crafting a plan to make things better for themselves. If you don't like where you work, look toward finding another job, or starting your own business- but don't make the argument that capitalistic markets don't function well, because they do. Almost always.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Because you FEEL more than you THINK. That is not who I was referring to. I was referring to the Occupy Movement and to people, liberals and conservatives alike, who make arguments but do not know what in the hell they are talking about. Those are the ignorant, stupid masses
    Who do you think those masses are composed of?


    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Some of those things factor into my argument, sure. I do not believe that low wage worker's pay too little in taxes. I don't think taxes need to be increased at all. I do, absolutely believe in the American Dream and personal responsibility. The house with the white picket fence and the 2.5 kids or whatever- people are not entitled to this. This is an attainable ideal, though, in this country, only because of capitalism. People get fed up working for the man, and go work their asses off starting a small business from the ground up- so that they can be the boss and control the money. This is what our wonderful melting pot of American immigrants did- and what people still have the ability to do if they stop making excuses and start accepting responsibility for where they are and crafting a plan to make things better for themselves. If you don't like where you work, look toward finding another job, or starting your own business- but don't make the argument that capitalistic markets don't function well, because they do. Almost always.
    It doesn't matter! Those jobs have to be filled! Okay, so Joe Blow quits his job "working for the man" and starts a new company up. Fine, but first, someone else will have to take his place because that low-wage job has to be filled by someone. Second, he probably just created at least a few more low-wage jobs as well, each that needs to be filled.

    No one is arguing with you that there is not opportunity for advancement, only that that opportunity is available to everyone. It's not physically possible for everyone to advance. Someone has to have that job.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Sometimes one must ignore political axioms and resort to tried and true methods of utility. Some of the best suggestions go unnoticed for their plain simplicity. The following was a suggestion to one of my most beloved children when he was having trouble learning to drop anchor in reality. He was explaining to me that many of the rich folks were just a result of Divine Providence,.

    "Put your right hand on your right cheek, your left hand on your left cheek, and yank real hard. Repeat as necessary to pull your head out of your ass!" I think he tried it because he doin' well now. Perhaps it should be posted on each chair in Congress, don't you think?
    you need to lay off the acid. that's neither responsive nor intelligent



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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Are you saying McDonalds is a viable company without people flipping burgers and working the drive-thru?
    do you libs even read what I write before you post in response.



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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you need to lay off the acid...
    what does this have to do with the thread?

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