View Poll Results: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

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  • Yes, across the board.

    14 12.17%
  • Yes, for infrastructure.

    33 28.70%
  • Yes, for education. (K-12)

    21 18.26%
  • Yes, for job creation.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, for social programs.

    15 13.04%
  • Yes, for medical care.

    26 22.61%
  • Yes, for the environment.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, but... not for some particular programs (please elaborate).

    10 8.70%
  • No. None. Not for anything at all.

    63 54.78%
  • Undecided. Convince me either way.

    1 0.87%
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    wages are not tied into or related to profit achieved. this is indeed a problem..and its unfair.
    yes, business-owners have invested time and money into their company. but that doesn't change the fact that its the labor of the workers who are making the products or services that earn the money that accounts for the profits.

    a fairer system of dividing profits between owners & workers, should be devised.
    no, I just want a country that is a bit more fair. that's all.
    This is the epitome of the ignorance that has resulted in the lunacy of Occupy Wallstreet. These are not fact based arguments you are making. They are rhetoric- and not even good rhetoric. It seems to be the rhetoric of the masses, though. The ignorant, stupid masses who want to change the system yet are not willing to educate themselves sufficiently on how the process works currently. How else can you suggest a solution?

    I have a couple of questions for you:

    What do CEO's do, really? What is their job?

    What does a properly managed company do with the profits they earn in a capitalistic system?

    And who should devise this system of dividing profits?

    I suggest you google the answers before responding.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    This is the epitome of the ignorance that has resulted in the lunacy of Occupy Wallstreet. These are not fact based arguments you are making. They are rhetoric- and not even good rhetoric. It seems to be the rhetoric of the masses, though. The ignorant, stupid masses who want to change the system yet are not willing to educate themselves sufficiently on how the process works currently. How else can you suggest a solution?
    Yes, most of the country are the "ignorant, stupid masses". And apparently the other percent are arrogant SOBs.

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    What do CEO's do, really? What is their job?
    Manage.

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    What does a properly managed company do with the profits they earn in a capitalistic system?
    Lot's of different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    And who should devise this system of dividing profits?
    Who devised the current system? What a cop-out of an argument that is.

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    I suggest you google the answers before responding.
    You think I need to Google to have a debate with you? This should be fun.
    Last edited by whysoserious; 11-19-11 at 05:19 PM.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Here are some facts for you, kamikaze:

    Rio Grande Valley Jobs
    -From 2005 to 2008, median wage was $8.14 for adults in Rio Grande. The ****ing median.
    -A quarter of them earned less than $6.19 an hour.
    -One in five Americans worked jobs that had poverty-level wages in 2010. One in five.

    That means, according to you, 20 percent of the work force are lazy, idiots. Again, that's just of the work force, as it leaves out the portion of people who don't even have jobs. Which means, in reality, you think at least 30% of Americans are worthless.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    I guess I might be willing to pay higher taxes if the Federal Government first cut all the things in which they shouldn't be involved (in my opinion). And, then, gave my state back its surplus. Then, they reduced my tax burden to what it should be based on what was left. Then, starting there, I'd be willing to pay higher taxes for specific programs with a term on them - like for a specific defense program, etc.

    And, I'd be willing to pay higher local taxes, too, in order to make up for anything that people in my city, county, or state wanted to replace that in which the Federal Government was no longer involved to some level - again, with a term on it.

    I'm not happy about the amount of taxes I pay now. But, I'd be much happier paying even the same amount if the majority of it was staying local.
    Paying the taxes I currently pay would be easier for me to swallow, if I didn't see the money outright wasted, like it is.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    which just goes to show you that even the Supreme Court of the USA, can be wrong.
    Why is it wrong to apply laws equally to everyone? I don't want to get screwed by the government, just because I'm self employed. That ain't right. What about MY rights? Do I give those up, when I start my own business?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yes, most of the country are the "ignorant, stupid masses". And apparently the other percent are arrogant SOBs.


    Manage.



    Lot's of different things.



    Who devised the current system? What a cop-out of an argument that is.



    You think I need to Google to have a debate with you? This should be fun.
    If those are your answer to those question, you to google your butt off.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why is it wrong to apply laws equally to everyone? I don't want to get screwed by the government, just because I'm self employed. That ain't right. What about MY rights? Do I give those up, when I start my own business?
    you are a human being. you have rights.

    corporations are not human beings, and do not deserve the same rights as humans. just as animals don't deserve the same rights as humans.

    and yet, some people think corporations deserve more rights than chimpanzees.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you are a human being. you have rights.

    corporations are not human beings, and do not deserve the same rights as humans. just as animals don't deserve the same rights as humans.

    and yet, some people think corporations deserve more rights than chimpanzees.
    I'm a human being that owns a business. My corporation shouldn't be treated any better, or worse than any other corporation.

    If it's ok to screw over large corporations, then you're setting the stage for it to be ok to screw over small corporations.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    I intended to have the discussion with the person who posted the comments I listed. Each of them were rhetorical comments, not based on fact, but based on a misunderstanding of the way things work. It is clear that he (or she) and many other people, many of whom are active in the Occupy Movement just don't have a lot of facts to work with- they work on feeling. That is not how problems are solved. Now to deal with the facts YOU listed, which I find hard to believe, but because I don't live there I'll assume they are correct.

    -A quarter of them earned less than $6.19 an hour.
    I list this one first because it will be the simplest one to deal with. The Federal Minimum Wage is higher than this, which usually is accounted for by companies utilizing the labor of illegal immigrants, contrary to Federal Law. It also means that companies reported average wages at below the FMW. That would just be dumb, because it would expose their illegal activities. There is an agreesive US Department of Labor that will entertain any claims of minimum wage violations for American Citizens.

    From 2005 to 2008, median wage was $8.14 for adults in Rio Grande. The ****ing median.
    This is just a broader statistic of the one we just discussed, so illegal labor also dilutes the numbers. I will concede that is is highly possible that Rio Grande has a very low median wage due to the volume of agriculture business. The great thing about a capitalistic economy is that it is capitalitic for all. Wages are set by the market- just as prices for goods and services are set by the market. A company will pay a worker based also on the value of that worker to the company. The employee has the opportunity to either make themselves more valuable (and less disposable) to the company. If they do that and still are underpaid based on the market, they should look for another job. You get to choose where you work, just as companies get to choose who they hire. The economy is very difficult right now for businesses as well as employees.

    And I don't disagree with your statement about 20 percent of people below the FPL, but that and these other statistics are not the fault of corporations and businesses, generally, and are impertinent to the argument I was making that debates have to commence at some basis of fact, not feeling- in order to result in compromise or solutions.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm a human being that owns a business. My corporation shouldn't be treated any better, or worse than any other corporation.....
    yes, and the law currently says that if your business goes bankrupt, you should not go banktrupt with it.

    the law says that you AND your corporation, have seperate rights to freedom of speech.

    this, is insane.

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