View Poll Results: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

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  • Yes, across the board.

    14 12.17%
  • Yes, for infrastructure.

    33 28.70%
  • Yes, for education. (K-12)

    21 18.26%
  • Yes, for job creation.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, for social programs.

    15 13.04%
  • Yes, for medical care.

    26 22.61%
  • Yes, for the environment.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, but... not for some particular programs (please elaborate).

    10 8.70%
  • No. None. Not for anything at all.

    63 54.78%
  • Undecided. Convince me either way.

    1 0.87%
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Human beings are persons. The idea that corporations are "persons" and are protected by the Bill of Rights, is the raping of our Constitution.
    The Supreme Court recently ruled that corporations have the same rights as persons. Maybe you recall that ruling.

    You constantly scream about, "fairness", yet you turn right around and scream that we treat people and companies un-fairly. It makes no sense.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    I guess I might be willing to pay higher taxes if the Federal Government first cut all the things in which they shouldn't be involved (in my opinion). And, then, gave my state back its surplus. Then, they reduced my tax burden to what it should be based on what was left. Then, starting there, I'd be willing to pay higher taxes for specific programs with a term on them - like for a specific defense program, etc.

    And, I'd be willing to pay higher local taxes, too, in order to make up for anything that people in my city, county, or state wanted to replace that in which the Federal Government was no longer involved to some level - again, with a term on it.

    I'm not happy about the amount of taxes I pay now. But, I'd be much happier paying even the same amount if the majority of it was staying local.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    I guess I might be willing to pay higher taxes if the Federal Government first cut all the things in which they shouldn't be involved (in my opinion). And, then, gave my state back its surplus. Then, they reduced my tax burden to what it should be based on what was left. Then, starting there, I'd be willing to pay higher taxes for specific programs with a term on them - like for a specific defense program, etc.

    And, I'd be willing to pay higher local taxes, too, in order to make up for anything that people in my city, county, or state wanted to replace that in which the Federal Government was no longer involved to some level - again, with a term on it.

    I'm not happy about the amount of taxes I pay now. But, I'd be much happier paying even the same amount if the majority of it was staying local.
    The more that I think about taxation, the more I become convinced that it is reprehensible that the federal government takes so much to begin with, then essentially blackmails the states* into doing their dirty work by threatening to cut off federal money.

    *- The blackmail is necessary because what they are demanding is technically unconstitutional so they cannot literally dictate it. "If you don't do as we say, we'll take away your <insert project/program here> funding."

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst, replying to another View Post
    The Supreme Court recently ruled that corporations have the same rights as persons. Maybe you recall that ruling. [...]
    Your interpretation is overly broad, but I do recall that ruling. I also recall the thumping sound that accompanied it -- the thumping sound caused by the founding fathers spinning in their graves . . . .

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court recently ruled that corporations have the same rights as persons. Maybe you recall that ruling....
    which just goes to show you that even the Supreme Court of the USA, can be wrong.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen, replying to another View Post
    The more that I think about taxation, the more I become convinced that it is reprehensible that the federal government takes so much to begin with [...]
    Numbers from the Heritage Foundation show the U.S. percentage of taxation to GDP to be pretty much middle of the road (26.9% out of a range from 1.4% to 69.7%).

    Also, they rank the U.S. 9th out of 179 countries in economic freedom (Hong Kong is ranked first, North Korea last).

    Would you care to expound on how that is "reprehensible"?

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    which just goes to show you that even the Supreme Court of the USA, can be wrong.
    Or can be corporate lackeys

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    which just goes to show you that even the Supreme Court of the USA, can be wrong.
    In the end there is no right or wrong when it comes to interpretation of the law. There is only opinion... and the ability to enforce it. It is your opinion that the SC is wrong. On this particular subject, I agree with you, but unfortunately I am not in a position to enforce my opinion.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Extending person hood related measures and privileges to Corporate heads has been an ongoing practice since the early 1800's. In some ways they have it and in some ways they don't.

    It's not like it's a new bastard of an idea or something - it's been slowly occurring with each ruling over the last two centuries.

    In some ways it limits or enables what they can and cannot do - but it also enables them to be held more individually accountable for some of their actions by government and law.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Human beings are persons. The idea that corporations are "persons" and are protected by the Bill of Rights, is the raping of our Constitution.
    The problem can be traced to the 14th amendment, I have heard argued, and is basically a very tiny loophole that the Supreme Court has used to award corporate personhood:


    14th Amendment (section 1): All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


    If, as I have heard it argued, the words "any natural person" had been used in place of "any person", corporations today would have no right of free speech.

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