View Poll Results: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

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  • Yes, across the board.

    14 12.17%
  • Yes, for infrastructure.

    33 28.70%
  • Yes, for education. (K-12)

    21 18.26%
  • Yes, for job creation.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, for social programs.

    15 13.04%
  • Yes, for medical care.

    26 22.61%
  • Yes, for the environment.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, but... not for some particular programs (please elaborate).

    10 8.70%
  • No. None. Not for anything at all.

    63 54.78%
  • Undecided. Convince me either way.

    1 0.87%
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its YOUR point.

    not mine.
    Yes. It is my point. That usually happens in debates, btw, new points get introduced into the discussion from time to time.

    I... correctly, it seems... pointed out a flaw in your reasoning that an average employee deserves, and should get, equal compensation. You are under no obligation to address it, just know that failure to address it does not bolster your position one bit. Unless you can address my point, and articulate *why* risk should not be shared as well if profits are shared, then the only conclusion left is that you're not interested in true equality at all. You simply want to share in all the good stuff , and not any of the bad stuff.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    ... Unless you can address my point, and articulate *why* risk should not be shared as well if profits are shared, then the only conclusion left is that you're not interested in true equality at all. You simply want to share in all the good stuff , and not any of the bad stuff.
    what "risk" does the CEO share?

    they often get MASSIVE sign-on bonuses, which are of course completely unrelated to any labor or profits they have earned for the company. they basically get paid for having a pulse.
    Last edited by Thunder; 11-19-11 at 01:26 PM.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what "risk" does the CEO share?

    they often get MASSIVE sign-on bonuses, which are of course completely unrelated to any labor or profits they have earned for the company. they basically get paid for having a pulse.
    "Sign on" bonuses I am fine with. Guaranteed "golden parachutes", which you did not mention but are similar, I suspect you would have a problem with... and on that particular point I would agree with you. You are still citing exceptions to the rule and avoiding the basic question regarding sharing risk, though.

    ETA: Generally, once a person arrives at the CEO level, they have proven themselves at least somewhat worthy and have already run the gauntlet of risk in their earlier years. The company itself still runs a risk that the new CEO actually will be worthy.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what "risk" does the CEO share?

    they often get MASSIVE sign-on bonuses, which are of course completely unrelated to any labor or profits they have earned for the company. they basically get paid for having a pulse.
    They get paid to perform. i.e. make the company way more money than they get paid.

    The contracts they sign typically state that if they fail to perform to a certain standard, they have to give that money back to the company.

    They are paid for a hell of a lot more than just having a pulse.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They get paid to perform. i.e. make the company way more money than they get paid.

    The contracts they sign typically state that if they fail to perform to a certain standard, they have to give that money back to the company.....
    tell that to AIG, Citicorp, and Bank of America.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Folks, I'm not talking about mom & pop stores.

    I am talking about Walmart, BJs, Pathmark, Old Navy, etc etc. MASSIVE franchises that make billions in profits.
    You can't put laws on some corporations and not others. It's the whole, "equal protection under the law", thing that the Constitution guarantees.

    When you out the screws to big companies, it's un-constitutional not to apply the same laws to mon-n-pop companies.

    Just like the tax placed on bonuses. Not only do the fat cat CEO's have to pay more taxes, Joe Bloe grocery store stock boy, who gets a Chirstmas bonus has to pay the same rate. If I recall correctly, the rate that was passed by Congress is 60%.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    tell that to AIG, Citicorp, and Bank of America.
    I don't have to. They already know it.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can't put laws on some corporations and not others. It's the whole, "equal protection under the law", thing that the Constitution guarantees....
    the Equal Protection clause covers human beings, not grocery stores.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the Equal Protection clause covers human beings, not grocery stores.
    Actually, that's not true. That's the reason that when a tax is applied to, "corporations", it's applied to all corporations.

    Ever hear of the Grassley/Baucus Bill? Yeah, it would place a 35% excise tax on companies issueing bonuses and a 35% excise tax on employees recieving the bonuses.

    You want fair. There it is.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    ...You want fair. There it is.
    Human beings are persons. The idea that corporations are "persons" and are protected by the Bill of Rights, is the raping of our Constitution.

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