View Poll Results: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

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  • Yes, across the board.

    14 12.17%
  • Yes, for infrastructure.

    33 28.70%
  • Yes, for education. (K-12)

    21 18.26%
  • Yes, for job creation.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, for social programs.

    15 13.04%
  • Yes, for medical care.

    26 22.61%
  • Yes, for the environment.

    19 16.52%
  • Yes, but... not for some particular programs (please elaborate).

    10 8.70%
  • No. None. Not for anything at all.

    63 54.78%
  • Undecided. Convince me either way.

    1 0.87%
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Are you saying McDonalds is a viable company without people flipping burgers and working the drive-thru?
    wages are not tied into or related to profit achieved. this is indeed a problem..and its unfair.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    wages are not tied into or related to profit achieved. this is indeed a problem..and its unfair.
    Nor should they be. Skill level and ease/difficulty of replacement should play a larger part in determining wages. Not to mention that business owners (the smaller the business, the more this applies) are literally risking total and complete financial ruin. If the business fails, the lowest employee goes out and finds another job. The owner is completely ruined. The owner should take more in profit if the business does well simply because they put more of their total financial well-being on the line. They probably also put in way more hours and effort, too.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Nor should they be. Skill level and ease/difficulty of replacement should play a larger part in determining wages. Not to mention that business owners (the smaller the business, the more this applies) are literally risking total and complete financial ruin. If the business fails, the lowest employee goes out and finds another job. The owner is completely ruined. The owner should take more in profit if the business does well simply because they put more of their total financial well-being on the line. They probably also put in way more hours and effort, too.
    yes, business-owners have invested time and money into their company. but that doesn't change the fact that its the labor of the workers who are making the products or services that earn the money that accounts for the profits.

    a fairer system of dividing profits between owners & workers, should be devised.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, business-owners have invested time and money into their company. but that doesn't change the fact that its the labor of the workers who are making the products or services that earn the money that accounts for the profits.

    a fairer system of dividing profits between owners & workers, should be devised.
    And they do a straight trade of time for money. Deal done.

    This would be a fairer system: Workers invest their own personal money so the risk is more equitably spread also. While we're at it, the workers can spend extra time at work and home, often for no direct pay or benefit whatsoever, to make sure the business is successful.
    Last edited by radcen; 11-19-11 at 12:01 PM.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    ...While we're at it, the workers can spend extra time at work and the office, often for no direct pay or benefit whatsoever, to make sure the business is successful.
    I know of many workers who stay at work late, without any extra compensation. Why? Cause they respect their work.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I know of many workers who stay at work late, without any extra compensation. Why? Cause they respect their work.
    I've known some, too. They're a small percentage. Very small. This would qualify as what is know as "an exception to the rule", and not pervasive enough to sway the conversation one way or another.

    Besides, your posts thus far have suggested that you believe that ALL employees should share in the profits equally, whether or not their risk and/or effort is equal.

    ETA: It is also noted that you continually edit out some of my points in your responses. Must be too inconvenient.
    Last edited by radcen; 11-19-11 at 12:07 PM.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    ...Besides, your posts thus far have suggested that you believe that ALL employees should share in the profits equally, whether or not their risk and/or effort is equal....
    no, I just want a country that is a bit more fair. that's all.

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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    It is amazing how irrational people can be. To assume that management jobs and company ownership do not entail a tremendous amount of work and dedication is illogical, ignorant- and dishonest. Because I don't think even YOU believe that.

    Just for one example: A road contracting company secures a multi-million dollar parking lot paving project. The project allows (or forces, depending on whether or not you think corporations are evil and greedy) to create an additional 100 jobs for a period of 18 months. While the management stays in the office, the laborers work resurfacing the parking lots. What is the management doing in the office? Working on securing more contracts so that there is continued profitability for the company AND so they have somewhere to place those 100 workers after the first project is completed.

    People, obviouly, have different skills and different levels of skill. Just because some work in the office, and some do the physical labor doesn't make either parasitic. Matter of fact, I would argue that productivity of the management has more overall impact than the laborers- but the relationship is clearly symbiotic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, business-owners have invested time and money into their company. but that doesn't change the fact that its the labor of the workers who are making the products or services that earn the money that accounts for the profits.

    a fairer system of dividing profits between owners & workers, should be devised.
    A fair system could be if you don't want to do the job for the owner, don't work there. If the owner is having a hard time getting or keeping employees, pay them more or treat them better. But, if an owner wants to run his business without employees, he should be able to do it. And, an employee should be able to start his own business and compete in the marketplace.

    There are no guarantees as to what was "the correct decision". You might start a business and lose everything. You might choose to work for someone and never make much money - or lose your job. There is no "fair" way of dividing profits except paying enough to keep someone the company needs, and demanding enough as an employee to be paid what you're worth compared to those who are willing to replace you.
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    Re: Are you willing to pay higher taxes, and if so, for what?

    Folks, I'm not talking about mom & pop stores.

    I am talking about Walmart, BJs, Pathmark, Old Navy, etc etc. MASSIVE franchises that make billions in profits.

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