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Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

  • The poor should be banned from voting

    Votes: 1 33.3%

  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    Votes: 1 33.3%

  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    Votes: 1 33.3%

  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    3
apdst said:
Not if they're collecting welfare.
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So much for any pretense or make believe that you actually believe in the US Constitution. Thanks for clarifying that.
 
haymarket said:
So much for any pretense or make believe that you actually believe in the US Constitution. Thanks for clarifying that.
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Sure I do. Ever hear of the equal protection clause? Why am I exempt from the earned income credit, just because I'melf employed? So much for everyone being equal under the law, eh?
 
apdst said:
Sure I do. Ever hear of the equal protection clause? Why am I exempt from the earned income credit, just because I'melf employed? So much for everyone being equal under the law, eh?
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Sure you don't since the US Constitution does not allow for poor people NOT being allowed to vote if they are on welfare. You have about as much respect for the Constitution as Sarah Palin had for her oath of office. And we know how much that was.
 
apdst said:
Sure I do. Ever hear of the equal protection clause? Why am I exempt from the earned income credit, just because I'melf employed? So much for everyone being equal under the law, eh?
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Wealth is not a protected class, thus your point matters not.

Tax law is applied equally based on race, color, religion, national origin, age (over 40), sex, disability, and veteran status.

There is no law being violated in progressive tax codes.

And you could never really pass it, because it's not really people being taxed. It's income that is taxed.

Once your income breaks the $388,351 threshold, that income is taxed at 35%. Doesn't matter who you are (well, as long as that income was earned through labor, and not through capital, that is).

And your boss is an elf? :) Sorry, had to put that in there.
 
evanescence said:
Plenty of lower income people own property.
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What the hell does this have to do with my question? We cannot have a discussion if your responses have nothing to do with my questions.

It's not subjective. I'm not speaking about what is right and wrong in a moral sense, but rather how one is to succeed in this society. Savings, investment, property, etc. Sure, people can fritter their money away on consumer junk to fulfill their every whim, but they are not investing long term. People who are short sighted offer little to the political environment. In case you haven't noticed, those are the types of morons who are in control now. Hypothetically, people who think long term are more logical than those who do not. Just a thought.
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I never said anything about right and wrong. I said your opinions are subjective...which they are. You're earlier opinions (which you seem to have abandoned, but which are nevertheless the opinions I have been critiquing) about what actions illustrate one who "has a stake in this country" and "has goals" are nothing more but subjective judgments.

If your opinions are NOT subjective, then please provide objective evidence that owning property is the only legitimate measurement of "having a stake in the country" and "having goals".
 
See another issue I just noticed is people saying the "poor" voting based on what is in it for them, when a rich person would vote the same way for what is in it for them. There is no difference here because a person has to take into account that while that candidate may have their best interest in mind, that representative on local, state, or a federal level still has to come to a common agreement with enough representatives for their ideas to matter.
 
What if...? said:
ALL democracy is the exercise of control over others. I smoke pot, which has been rendered illegal by our democracy. Atempting to control me by decree of the electorate.
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all government is indeed the exercise of control over others. that doesn't make "governing" a fundamental human right.
 
JohnWOlin said:
See another issue I just noticed is people saying the "poor" voting based on what is in it for them, when a rich person would vote the same way for what is in it for them. There is no difference here because a person has to take into account that while that candidate may have their best interest in mind, that representative on local, state, or a federal level still has to come to a common agreement with enough representatives for their ideas to matter.
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well it's a matter of incentive structure. I don't think you will find a single person on here making the "if you're on welfare you shouldn't be voting" argument unwilling to support getting government out of the business of picking winners and losers in the market.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Wealth is not a protected class, thus your point matters not.

Tax law is applied equally based on race, color, religion, national origin, age (over 40), sex, disability, and veteran status.

There is no law being violated in progressive tax codes.

And you could never really pass it, because it's not really people being taxed. It's income that is taxed.
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that's why we're gonna have to get a judge to do it instead :D. flat tax judicial activism, baby :mrgreen:
 
cpwill said:
well it's a matter of incentive structure. I don't think you will find a single person on here making the "if you're on welfare you shouldn't be voting" argument unwilling to support getting government out of the business of picking winners and losers in the market.
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Right but ever single one of them want their taxes lowered and the poors taxes raised...also look at demographics. A minority of Americans voting could even be considered poor, and lets take it further--if a 19 year old kid working at McDonalds while in school should he not be able to vote? So a person is poor they still pay into Social Security, Medicare, and of course state and local taxes. What say you to that?
 
theplaydrive said:
Everybody in this nation is dependent on the work of others. The idea that those on welfare are the only ones is preposterous.
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what you ignore is that there are those who trade for value or pay for what they use and those who do not. many like you pretend that people are rich because either the government somehow gave them money or that the rich "stole" it from other people rather than dealing with the reality that most rich people are rich because they traded something of value for money
 
haymarket said:
You miss the central point that when he asks you who this is he is asking to show that such people exist and how you identify them as such.
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my point did not need such clarification
 
evanescence said:
I made nothing personal. That was you. Remember? You personally attacked me, and broke the Vegas Rule. I just happen to quote the post before you deleted it. There's no hurt feelings here. It's you with the personal problem.

Secondly, I merely posed a question. Like I said, there are several states where the mentally retarded cannot vote. But it is good that you finally got around to answering the question with a half way intelligent response. However, someone who is mentally handicapped is not likely to be competent to vote. I have a mentally handicapped step brother. He is twelve, and he has the mentality of a six year old. By the time he is 18 and legally able to vote, he may have the mentality of a 12 year old. Do we want 12 year olds to vote? I don't. At the very least, instead of getting offended and bent out of shape, you could try to logically analyze this issue.
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Why do you wish to take away folks legal rights to vote? It was not long ago that folks felt the sameway about women and black folks voting that you feel about the mentally handicapped. I guess you probably feel they should not be able to live alone if able either too? Just lock em up and throw away the keys! Backwards thinking.
 
haymarket said:
So much for any pretense or make believe that you actually believe in the US Constitution. Thanks for clarifying that.
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Your constant slurpage of the constitution when it suites you is as amusing of your rejection of the constitution when you dislike rulings based on it.

THe constitution did not initially require that the dependents or those on the dole vote and the earth would not end if the constitution was interpreted to reinstate such limitations. Now we realize that such a rule would destroy the ability of the dems to win elections and we understand you would hate any set of rules that prevented those whose interest in government is how much the institution will give them from voting
 
TurtleDude said:
what you ignore is that there are those who trade for value or pay for what they use and those who do not.
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Oh. When did GE pay for the stuff it used that was created/maintained with federal tax money?
 
Some folks seem to feel unless you are rich you should not be able to vote. Screw the poor, disabled, felons or anybody else that does not have money. Screw the rights of the folks! Only those deemed worthy should matter and get to vote. Sad state of affairs that people care more about their snooby messed up mindset than the given rights of the people!!!!!!!
 
theplaydrive said:
Oh. When did GE pay for the stuff it used that was created/maintained with federal tax money?
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The GE that provides thousands of Americans with Jobs upon which they pay income tax? The GE that provides thousands of Americans with dividends upon which they pay income tax? The GE that makes everything from lightbulbs we light our homes with to the automatic cannons and jet engines that our military defends America with.

Do you libs honestly believe America would be better off if GE did not exist
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't wine about the poor but the poverty pimps who use them to gain power and the parasites who demand others pay for them. and unlike the poor who don't pay for my existence, I do pay for some of their existence. I think that gives me a bit more standing
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Thankfully? It is NOT up to YOU on who gets to vote and who does not! We have laws for that and you are not gonna change em anytime soon buster!
 
JohnWOlin said:
See another issue I just noticed is people saying the "poor" voting based on what is in it for them, when a rich person would vote the same way for what is in it for them. There is no difference here because a person has to take into account that while that candidate may have their best interest in mind, that representative on local, state, or a federal level still has to come to a common agreement with enough representatives for their ideas to matter.
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But see, the middle class and the wealthy are actually paying for the things they want out of their taxes. The poor, who pay no income taxes, aren't paying for a damn thing, they just want other people to fund what they want.

There is a difference, it's sad that people don't recognize that.
 
Cephus said:
The only people who should be able to vote for a thing are the people whose money will actually be funding it.
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So in other words you want more and more of a corrupt society? Where the poor folks have no rights and those with the money control everything. Right.. That is the way this land of the free should work.:roll::(
 
Kali said:
Thankfully? It is NOT up to YOU on who gets to vote and who does not! We have laws for that and you are not gonna change em anytime soon buster!
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The way things are going this country is going to end up like Greece and when the teat sucklers realize that the supply of milk is not unlimited the SHTF.
 
Kali said:
So in other words you want more and more of a corrupt society? Where the poor folks have no rights and those with the money control everything. Right.. That is the way this land of the free should work.:roll::(
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I like Jamesrage's idea that if a tax does not affect you you don't have a say about it. If you aren't a top tax bracket income tax payer you shouldn't have a say about raising the rate. If you don't own firearms, you don't have a say in the Robinson-Pittman Act rates. Non-smoker-don't be voting on the taxes on smokes
 
TurtleDude said:
The GE that provides thousands of Americans with Jobs upon which they pay income tax? The GE that provides thousands of Americans with dividends upon which they pay income tax? The GE that makes everything from lightbulbs we light our homes with to the automatic cannons and jet engines that our military defends America with.
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Yes, that GE. Just because you give a lot, doesn't mean you don't take what you haven't paid for.

Also, what about those super cool banks who took a little bit of bailout money. What about them?

Do you libs honestly believe America would be better off if GE did not exist
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Did I say that? Quote please.
 
Kali said:
So in other words you want more and more of a corrupt society? Where the poor folks have no rights and those with the money control everything. Right.. That is the way this land of the free should work.:roll::(
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How about a society where poor folks work hard and get the hell out of poverty without trying to vote more freebie nonsense on themselves instead. You forget what the American Dream is. If you work hard enough, you can be successful. When can we expect these people to work and take responsibility for their own lives?
 
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